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	<title>Comments on: Seven Soldiers: Frankenstein #3 and Pseudoscience</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is that Stan Lee never claimed he was doing real science while Emoto does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that Stan Lee never claimed he was doing real science while Emoto does.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a comic book, get off your soapbox. Next thing you know you will tell us that the cosmic radiation around the Earth will not turn us into the Fantastic Four.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a comic book, get off your soapbox. Next thing you know you will tell us that the cosmic radiation around the Earth will not turn us into the Fantastic Four.</p>
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		<title>By: inthenameofartbell</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6926</link>
		<dc:creator>inthenameofartbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As most people surely have, I discovered Emoto&#039;s work via the movie, What the bleep do we know?

Cause I have very little else to do and my brain can always use some excercise, I&#039;m writing a little about what I thought it was about, here we cut right to the chase. 

The subject (observer) is irremovable from the object (observation). Plato espouted this a long time ago, its pretty elementary stuff.

As the subject predicates the object, the object is subject to the predications of the subject. Thats where the controversy starts, since science becomes a conglomeration of subjective POVs predicating objective measurement, how the BLEEP could you measure this phenomenom objectively?! (or anything, for that matter)

So science and mysticism split inexorably once again, suprise suprise. 

Dr. Emoto ought to publish more information about his process, but that might have an impact on his book sales. 
Perhaps the experiment would be reproduceable if thoughts and intentions were reproduceable, and measureably so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As most people surely have, I discovered Emoto&#8217;s work via the movie, What the bleep do we know?</p>
<p>Cause I have very little else to do and my brain can always use some excercise, I&#8217;m writing a little about what I thought it was about, here we cut right to the chase. </p>
<p>The subject (observer) is irremovable from the object (observation). Plato espouted this a long time ago, its pretty elementary stuff.</p>
<p>As the subject predicates the object, the object is subject to the predications of the subject. Thats where the controversy starts, since science becomes a conglomeration of subjective POVs predicating objective measurement, how the BLEEP could you measure this phenomenom objectively?! (or anything, for that matter)</p>
<p>So science and mysticism split inexorably once again, suprise suprise. </p>
<p>Dr. Emoto ought to publish more information about his process, but that might have an impact on his book sales.<br />
Perhaps the experiment would be reproduceable if thoughts and intentions were reproduceable, and measureably so.</p>
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		<title>By: David Harmon</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6844</link>
		<dc:creator>David Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 23:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what happens if you tape on words like &quot;fire&quot;, or &quot;drought?&quot; :-)

More seriously, I smell a definite whiff of &quot;psychic influence&quot; behind the supposed pan-animism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what happens if you tape on words like &#8220;fire&#8221;, or &#8220;drought?&#8221; :-)</p>
<p>More seriously, I smell a definite whiff of &#8220;psychic influence&#8221; behind the supposed pan-animism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebonmuse</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For example, what if I taped the name &quot;Osama bin Laden&quot; to a glass of water? To me and most Americans, that would be a strongly negative word. To certain Muslims though, his name is regarded postively. So which crystals would form, beautiful or ugly? Same goes for &quot;Tom Delay,&quot; &quot;Abortion,&quot; or &quot;Reaganomics&quot; - who&#039;s to say which are positive or negative?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, presumably that way we can find out which political party water belongs to. Should each molecule get a separate vote, do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For example, what if I taped the name &#8220;Osama bin Laden&#8221; to a glass of water? To me and most Americans, that would be a strongly negative word. To certain Muslims though, his name is regarded postively. So which crystals would form, beautiful or ugly? Same goes for &#8220;Tom Delay,&#8221; &#8220;Abortion,&#8221; or &#8220;Reaganomics&#8221; &#8211; who&#8217;s to say which are positive or negative?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, presumably that way we can find out which political party water belongs to. Should each molecule get a separate vote, do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Hendry</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6631</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Hendry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 18:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Arndt writes: &quot;We view paleontology, geology, and archaelogy from the present date and recording data and theorize, summarize, and notarize stuff about the past from items collected and analyzed in the present day. Doesn’t involve faith in something unseen?&quot;

Not really, because from the observed evidence we can make predictions about future observations of similar kind *or of different kinds*. ie, if our hypothesis about the observation is correct, we would expect to see x, y, and z. If our hypothesis is incorrect, we might expect to see a, b, and c.

For instance, if they hypothesis is continental drift based on continental boundary shapes fitting like a puzzle, one isn&#039;t limited to seeking a second observation of a megacontinent breaking up. Other subsequent observations can confirm the hypothesis, such as evidence of mid-ocean subduction or spread which would provide a mechanism for continental drift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Arndt writes: &#8220;We view paleontology, geology, and archaelogy from the present date and recording data and theorize, summarize, and notarize stuff about the past from items collected and analyzed in the present day. Doesn’t involve faith in something unseen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really, because from the observed evidence we can make predictions about future observations of similar kind *or of different kinds*. ie, if our hypothesis about the observation is correct, we would expect to see x, y, and z. If our hypothesis is incorrect, we might expect to see a, b, and c.</p>
<p>For instance, if they hypothesis is continental drift based on continental boundary shapes fitting like a puzzle, one isn&#8217;t limited to seeking a second observation of a megacontinent breaking up. Other subsequent observations can confirm the hypothesis, such as evidence of mid-ocean subduction or spread which would provide a mechanism for continental drift.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6616</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 03:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So the question remains, it is science or faith-based when it is observable from and/or for a large distance of time and space but not repeatable or reproducible?&quot;

It&#039;s science if it&#039;s independently verifiable. Also astronomy, paleontology, evolutionary biology, archaeology, &amp; sociology can exploit &#039;natural experiments&#039; where even if we can&#039;t control or recreate the conditions of an event we can compare the outcomes of similar events in a variety of situation.

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  &quot;All of which brings to mind what sort of nutcake Cyclops has been married to. If you ain’t the Phoenix, and the Phoenix killed billions, and you can only read minds and levitate crap…. why dress up as a psychotic cosmic genocidal lunatic? Or take that name? Or wear her colors?&quot;

Can&#039;t you people just give it a rest already!! Just once you accidentall;y incinerate one lousy planet,  while temporarily insane and fleeing blindly across the galaxy mind you and because it happens to be inhabited, all of a sudden you&#039;re another Galactus. Like the Shi&#039;ar haven&#039;t killed way more than that. Repeat after me, &#039;It was just one planet&#039;. Say it! Don&#039;t make me turn you into crystal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So the question remains, it is science or faith-based when it is observable from and/or for a large distance of time and space but not repeatable or reproducible?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s science if it&#8217;s independently verifiable. Also astronomy, paleontology, evolutionary biology, archaeology, &amp; sociology can exploit &#8216;natural experiments&#8217; where even if we can&#8217;t control or recreate the conditions of an event we can compare the outcomes of similar events in a variety of situation.</p>
<p> &#8212;</p>
<p>  &#8220;All of which brings to mind what sort of nutcake Cyclops has been married to. If you ain’t the Phoenix, and the Phoenix killed billions, and you can only read minds and levitate crap…. why dress up as a psychotic cosmic genocidal lunatic? Or take that name? Or wear her colors?&#8221;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you people just give it a rest already!! Just once you accidentall;y incinerate one lousy planet,  while temporarily insane and fleeing blindly across the galaxy mind you and because it happens to be inhabited, all of a sudden you&#8217;re another Galactus. Like the Shi&#8217;ar haven&#8217;t killed way more than that. Repeat after me, &#8216;It was just one planet&#8217;. Say it! Don&#8217;t make me turn you into crystal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 01:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it bad that I read all this and now I&#039;m wondering if I can spare $350?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it bad that I read all this and now I&#8217;m wondering if I can spare $350?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Foss</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1229/comment-page-1#comment-6610</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Foss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 21:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cringed when I saw Emoto mentioned in that issue, especially since I&#039;d recently seen the dreck that is &quot;What the Bleep Do We Know?&quot; I haven&#039;t been able to decide, however, if this constitutes a more egregious use of popular myth and pseudoscience than Morrison&#039;s &quot;million monkeys&quot; in &quot;World War III.&quot; You&#039;d think someone tied to the Red like Animal Man would know that all chimps *don&#039;t* learn something once a million have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cringed when I saw Emoto mentioned in that issue, especially since I&#8217;d recently seen the dreck that is &#8220;What the Bleep Do We Know?&#8221; I haven&#8217;t been able to decide, however, if this constitutes a more egregious use of popular myth and pseudoscience than Morrison&#8217;s &#8220;million monkeys&#8221; in &#8220;World War III.&#8221; You&#8217;d think someone tied to the Red like Animal Man would know that all chimps *don&#8217;t* learn something once a million have.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Arndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 20:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of which brings to mind what sort of nutcake Cyclops has been married to.  If you ain&#039;t the Phoenix, and the Phoenix killed billions, and you can only read minds and levitate crap.... why dress up as a psychotic cosmic genocidal lunatic?  Or take that name?  Or wear her colors?


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If Dr. Emoto was working with Bizarro while experimenting or if he switched to the Mirror Universe, what would happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of which brings to mind what sort of nutcake Cyclops has been married to.  If you ain&#8217;t the Phoenix, and the Phoenix killed billions, and you can only read minds and levitate crap&#8230;. why dress up as a psychotic cosmic genocidal lunatic?  Or take that name?  Or wear her colors?</p>
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<p>If Dr. Emoto was working with Bizarro while experimenting or if he switched to the Mirror Universe, what would happen?</p>
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