New Excalibur #16: A Medical Review
A request has been made for me to review New Excalibur #17 which details Talia’s recovery from her stroke. First, however, I’d like to take a look at New Excalibur #16, which features the stroke itself.
New Excalibur #16 “Fallen Friend, part 1”
Chris Claremont, writer
Scot Eaton, penciler
In Excalibur #16, Talia (Nocturne) suddenly suffers an apparent stroke. Visiting Dazzler in the hospital, she suffers a sudden loss of coordination, headache, numbness of both arms and legs, and then unconsciousness.
Generally speaking, there are two types of strokes. The most common (80%) is an ischemic stroke, where blood flow to one of the blood vessels in the brain is blocked by a clot. This prevents blood from getting to part of the brain, and this part will almost immediately stop functioning, and will die if blood flow is not restored quickly. The leading treatment for ischemic strokes are clot-busting drugs (also known as thrombolytics), but they have to be given within 3 hours of the onset of symptoms. Blood thinners may be used to prevent a subsequent stroke,
The second type of stroke is a hemorrhagic stroke, where one of the blood vessels in the brain starts to leak or bleed. This causes damage in several ways. First, the brain tissue beyond the bleed is denied its blood supply and can die, just like in an ischemic stroke. Second, blood is irritating to the brain tissue which causes swelling and inflammation. Third, if enough bleeding occurs, it can raise the intracranial pressure which can restrict blood flow to the entire brain. The treatment of a hemorrhagic stroke should come as no surprise: stop the bleeding. This may require surgery. Additionally, if a large amount of blood has collected, it may need to be surgically drained. Since the treatment for an ischemic stroke, clot-busters and blood thinners, will make a hemorrhagic stroke worse, you need to be sure what type of stroke has occurred before treatment is started.
So far, it’s not clear which type of stroke Talia suffered. Given her headache and loss of consciousness, a hemorrhagic stroke seems more likely as these are symptoms of increased intracranial pressure. However, no mention has been made of any surgery or neurosurgical evaluation. On the other hand, no mention has been made of thrombolytics or blood thinners either, though when Sage explains what a stroke is to Pete Wisdom, she only mentions ischemic strokes. Frankly, I’d be surprised if we ever find out for sure what type of stroke she had.
Doctor: Set up a fell series of x-rays — chest and skull. MRI’s as well — someone find out if we have to worry about her super-powers? And check with her teammates, she’s got different hand and feet structures, blue skin and weird eyes — are there any internal differences we need to know about?
I’m not certain why the x-rays were ordered. Talia was showing neurological symptoms and then she lost consciousness. The differential diagnosis would include stroke, seizure, hemorrhage, drugs, infection, or metabolic disorders — none of which show up on x-ray*. There is only a limited time window to treat a stroke, particularly an ischemic stroke, so there is no need to waste time getting unnecessary x-rays. An MRI makes sense because it has a good study for showing a stoke, either ischemic or hemorrhagic.
It’s nice to see a doctor taking super-powers into account , one would presume both for his sake as well as the patient’s. It’s what I would expect to see in a comic book hospital. Of course, in a comic book universe, we should probably add “telepathic disorder” to the differential — but then again, she doesn’t have a nosebleed, so maybe not.
Tomorrow: The requested review of New Excalibur #17 (plus I believe #18 is available in stores UPDATE: Oops. Not yet)
*to be fair, “trauma” would also be on the differential – and that would seem a likely possibility in a superhero who had recently been in a fight — and while trauma should show up on x-ray, it would show up on the MRI as well, so there’s no reason to waste time getting an x-ray. (Plus the x-ray wouldn’t give a good view of the brain itself, just the skull. ) Just go straight to the MRI (or CT).
March 14th, 2007 at 9:34 am
I might be reaching here, but could the x-ray also be necessary as a preliminary for possible surgery?
He’s already noticed different structure of the feet and hands. He might have to toss out any presumtions about the internal structure of her head?
March 14th, 2007 at 10:02 am
Could the x-ray have been to assess possible injuries caused during her fall when she passed out? Or to look for any odd structures in her body that might be there due to her being a mutant?
March 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
I know the intention behind your blogs is not to make superheroes/villians including doctors/nurses within the comic book world look like bufoons regarding medical situations, but they do after reading one of your blogs.
March 16th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Wanted your comments on a recent lost episode featuring (apparently) a stroke.
(Minor Spoilers)
The characters encounter a fence consisting of pylons topped by what look like inverted radar dishes. When the plane formed by any two adjacent pylons is broken (by a human, say) they emit an ultrasonic pulse. The symptoms present themselves rapidly: frothing at the mouth, what appear to be mild convulsions, and then some rather spectacular bleeding out the ears (this appears almost as if an artery was ruptured).
How realistic are these symptoms? Does anyone really know the effects of a directed high-intensity high-frequency blast of sound on the body?
Thanks
Nick
March 16th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Also, some rapid fan of the show dissected the sound used in the episode and found this:
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/9/94/Lost-sonicbarrier-fft.png
Scale is natural log based, from zero to 24KHz. The frequency bands seen, from left to right: 93-99 Hz 134-140 Hz 181-187 Hz 240-246 Hz (Pulse) 275-281 Hz (Pulse) 322-328 Hz 369-386 Hz 416-421 Hz 462-468 Hz 556-562 Hz 703-708 Hz 744-750 Hz (Pulses) 837-843 Hz (Pulses) 972-978 Hz (Pulses) 1066-1072 Hz (Pulses) 1300-1406 Hz (Pulses) 1599-1605 Hz
According to NIMH, the human skull resonates at frequencies between 828Hz and 1417Hz.
April 8th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
It seems to me that a common response a doctor might have when dealing with a distinctly-nonhuman patient would be to order absolutely every non-invasive test possible, just to get a handle on what they’re dealing with. Besides, National Health is rumored to have a shortage of MRI equipment.
“Let’s start with an MRI.”
“The earliest we can get her to one is tomorrow. Let’s start with an X-Ray. At this point, I’m not absolutely sure her brain is even inside her skull.”
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