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	<title>Comments on: House &#8211; Episode 21 (Season Three): “Family”</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-1067881</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that the whole endocarditis/heart surgery sequence was merely to provide yet another dead end before the team solved the medical problem, but it was not very realistic.

It is true that the usual treatment for endocarditis is a regimen of IV antibiotics, typically for 4-6 weeks (although the infection is usually eradicated after 2 weeks of treatment).  The infection can damage or destroy a heart valve, and it is not uncommon that a patient will need valve repair or replacement surgery as a result.  Sometimes the damage to the valve is so severe that the operation must be performed before the infection is treated, and this was apparently House&#039;s idea when he suggested removing the infected valve to cure the infection.  The problem with this idea is that the operation treats the heart illness, not the infection.  To be sure, eliminating the bacterial vegetation from the heart will go a long way toward treating the infection, but it cannot eliminate it -- chances are that the bacteria will still be in the bloodstream somewhere.  House is board certified in infective disease and should know better.

Even if House&#039;s idea were medically sound, it would not require removal of the valve.  Unless the valve was damaged, the bacterial growth could be removed while leaving the valve in place.  Even if the valve were damaged, the usual procedure would be to repair, not replace it (thereby avoiding coumadin therapy for life).  If the valve was damaged to the point that it could not be repaired, chances are it would have been picked up during the examination of the boy (the murmur and regurgitation would have been detected by auscultation).  As pointed out by at least one other commenter, an animal valve does not require the coumadin treatment, but they wear out and given the boy&#039;s age, it is almost certain that they would have given him an artificial valve.

The shot of the surgery showed the operation being performed through the sternum.  These days, the surgery can often be performed by a minimally invasive technique, often with the use of a robotic device.  It would be unusual for a leading hospital (such as PPH is supposed to be) not to be using the more up to date and preferred procedure.  Had the boy&#039;s sternum been opened up, he would have been in intensive care for at least two days and in very rough shape for a while afterwards.  His condition was unrealistically good when Foreman was sticking needles in him, but patients on this show typically recover miraculously from major procedures.

To respond to Yok&#039;s comment about empiric antibiotics, a significant percentage of endocarditis cases cannot be cultured and empirical treatment is the only way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that the whole endocarditis/heart surgery sequence was merely to provide yet another dead end before the team solved the medical problem, but it was not very realistic.</p>
<p>It is true that the usual treatment for endocarditis is a regimen of IV antibiotics, typically for 4-6 weeks (although the infection is usually eradicated after 2 weeks of treatment).  The infection can damage or destroy a heart valve, and it is not uncommon that a patient will need valve repair or replacement surgery as a result.  Sometimes the damage to the valve is so severe that the operation must be performed before the infection is treated, and this was apparently House&#8217;s idea when he suggested removing the infected valve to cure the infection.  The problem with this idea is that the operation treats the heart illness, not the infection.  To be sure, eliminating the bacterial vegetation from the heart will go a long way toward treating the infection, but it cannot eliminate it &#8212; chances are that the bacteria will still be in the bloodstream somewhere.  House is board certified in infective disease and should know better.</p>
<p>Even if House&#8217;s idea were medically sound, it would not require removal of the valve.  Unless the valve was damaged, the bacterial growth could be removed while leaving the valve in place.  Even if the valve were damaged, the usual procedure would be to repair, not replace it (thereby avoiding coumadin therapy for life).  If the valve was damaged to the point that it could not be repaired, chances are it would have been picked up during the examination of the boy (the murmur and regurgitation would have been detected by auscultation).  As pointed out by at least one other commenter, an animal valve does not require the coumadin treatment, but they wear out and given the boy&#8217;s age, it is almost certain that they would have given him an artificial valve.</p>
<p>The shot of the surgery showed the operation being performed through the sternum.  These days, the surgery can often be performed by a minimally invasive technique, often with the use of a robotic device.  It would be unusual for a leading hospital (such as PPH is supposed to be) not to be using the more up to date and preferred procedure.  Had the boy&#8217;s sternum been opened up, he would have been in intensive care for at least two days and in very rough shape for a while afterwards.  His condition was unrealistically good when Foreman was sticking needles in him, but patients on this show typically recover miraculously from major procedures.</p>
<p>To respond to Yok&#8217;s comment about empiric antibiotics, a significant percentage of endocarditis cases cannot be cultured and empirical treatment is the only way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: tobylane</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobylane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmateurVisionary it&#039;s because they know how much should be taken in 24h for the person (or anyone) and that&#039;s the max.

Foreman brings the mood down too well compared to when the others aren&#039;t happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmateurVisionary it&#8217;s because they know how much should be taken in 24h for the person (or anyone) and that&#8217;s the max.</p>
<p>Foreman brings the mood down too well compared to when the others aren&#8217;t happy.</p>
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		<title>By: AmateurVisionary</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-968895</link>
		<dc:creator>AmateurVisionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old episode, but this issue has come up before and since. a patient is in severe pain and they are told by a doctor or nurse that they are &quot;maxed out on their pain meds&quot;. ok, pure opiate agonists, (morphine, oxycodone, meperidine, etc) do not have therapeutic dosage ceilings. the ceiling for dosing is based only on the side effects. that is, you can keep increasing the dose to treat the pain until the problems raised by the side effects are too severe. why do they keep telling patients that they&#039;re maxed out?

av</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old episode, but this issue has come up before and since. a patient is in severe pain and they are told by a doctor or nurse that they are &#8220;maxed out on their pain meds&#8221;. ok, pure opiate agonists, (morphine, oxycodone, meperidine, etc) do not have therapeutic dosage ceilings. the ceiling for dosing is based only on the side effects. that is, you can keep increasing the dose to treat the pain until the problems raised by the side effects are too severe. why do they keep telling patients that they&#8217;re maxed out?</p>
<p>av</p>
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		<title>By: Meblue</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-673977</link>
		<dc:creator>Meblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The medicine may have had it&#039;s flaws - and yes - would be better if it didn&#039;t - but I enjoyed the drama.

One of the worst things a show can do is STAY THE SAME. Characters need to change as a result of what happens to them. If they don&#039;t, it gets boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The medicine may have had it&#8217;s flaws &#8211; and yes &#8211; would be better if it didn&#8217;t &#8211; but I enjoyed the drama.</p>
<p>One of the worst things a show can do is STAY THE SAME. Characters need to change as a result of what happens to them. If they don&#8217;t, it gets boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Person</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-567612</link>
		<dc:creator>Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... What does this episode have in it that is totally not copying &quot;My Sister&#039;s Keeper&quot;...???? Hmm... Oh that&#039;s a tough one. But wait! I think I got something! Well, the brother wasn&#039;t born specifically for the purpose of treating his brother--That&#039;s a big one. There was no law suit--That&#039;s kinda important. The characters were different--Yeah I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s important too. Oh, and the happy ending.

But obviously because it was about a brother trying to donate bone marrow to his brother who has cancer, it must have been ripped off from that book. Oh yes. That&#039;s clearly a very keen observation, and not just a stupid thing to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; What does this episode have in it that is totally not copying &#8220;My Sister&#8217;s Keeper&#8221;&#8230;???? Hmm&#8230; Oh that&#8217;s a tough one. But wait! I think I got something! Well, the brother wasn&#8217;t born specifically for the purpose of treating his brother&#8211;That&#8217;s a big one. There was no law suit&#8211;That&#8217;s kinda important. The characters were different&#8211;Yeah I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s important too. Oh, and the happy ending.</p>
<p>But obviously because it was about a brother trying to donate bone marrow to his brother who has cancer, it must have been ripped off from that book. Oh yes. That&#8217;s clearly a very keen observation, and not just a stupid thing to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Dariya</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-504579</link>
		<dc:creator>Dariya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...Cameron keeps saying that it&#039;s autoimmune, House always says that it&#039;s lupus or that it can&#039;t be lupus, Foreman tries to link things with neurology, Wilson always wants it to be cancer, and Chase doesn&#039;t have that kind of pattern. 
I think they all just want it to be related to their specialty. And why not? Wilson probably wants more moolah because House keeps borrowing his, after sooooo many malpractice suits. And if you think that lupus isn&#039;t related to House&#039;s specialty... House is doing diagnostics. He gets excited from rare and unusual cases - lupus is pretty rare in their city, I&#039;m sure.
=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;Cameron keeps saying that it&#8217;s autoimmune, House always says that it&#8217;s lupus or that it can&#8217;t be lupus, Foreman tries to link things with neurology, Wilson always wants it to be cancer, and Chase doesn&#8217;t have that kind of pattern.<br />
I think they all just want it to be related to their specialty. And why not? Wilson probably wants more moolah because House keeps borrowing his, after sooooo many malpractice suits. And if you think that lupus isn&#8217;t related to House&#8217;s specialty&#8230; House is doing diagnostics. He gets excited from rare and unusual cases &#8211; lupus is pretty rare in their city, I&#8217;m sure.<br />
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-502462</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. Somebody please answer our question! Steve asked it first- Go up a few if you want to see- but I couldn&#039;t BELIEVE nobody else asked it yet. It&#039;s the most confusing unanswered question I&#039;ve seen (medically) in any episode so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. Somebody please answer our question! Steve asked it first- Go up a few if you want to see- but I couldn&#8217;t BELIEVE nobody else asked it yet. It&#8217;s the most confusing unanswered question I&#8217;ve seen (medically) in any episode so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um... I came here with the SAME question as Steve. It bothered me the most. How could a SECOND bone marrow transplant cure a bad response to a first one? Forget the inaccurate time stamps, like it taking a month for somebody to get acute grafts vs hosts... (couldn&#039;t it ever be like this? How do we know it couldn&#039;t?) Although, after reading the medical criticism I&#039;m beginning to see as writer(s) how there is a pattern in their inconsistencies.. (They need a sense of urgency to every show and a timetable.. where the end equals death. And they need to show how incredible they are and how difficult the problem is... despite messing up and almost killing the patient, although I think most viewers have gotten more and more desensitized to the urgency. I have NOT gotten to season 4 yet, but I know they change the cast up and I am curious. Anyway, fitting all these parameters causes a predictable writing formula that is creativity stifling.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; I came here with the SAME question as Steve. It bothered me the most. How could a SECOND bone marrow transplant cure a bad response to a first one? Forget the inaccurate time stamps, like it taking a month for somebody to get acute grafts vs hosts&#8230; (couldn&#8217;t it ever be like this? How do we know it couldn&#8217;t?) Although, after reading the medical criticism I&#8217;m beginning to see as writer(s) how there is a pattern in their inconsistencies.. (They need a sense of urgency to every show and a timetable.. where the end equals death. And they need to show how incredible they are and how difficult the problem is&#8230; despite messing up and almost killing the patient, although I think most viewers have gotten more and more desensitized to the urgency. I have NOT gotten to season 4 yet, but I know they change the cast up and I am curious. Anyway, fitting all these parameters causes a predictable writing formula that is creativity stifling.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/1640/comment-page-2#comment-445873</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know too much about medicine; however, I&#039;ve been researching a bit about graft-versus-host disease and bone marrow transplants, and after re-watching this episode, I&#039;m wondering something...

Many websites say that peripheral blood is used for transplants nowadays rather than actual marrow. I&#039;ve read that removing the marrow from the hip is considered a &#039;traditional&#039; process. Apparently, after several injections of filgrastim, the donor can undergo aphaeresis to remove the blood stem cells directly from their blood. Is this true, and if so, how often do they perform transplants using this method? Why has it not been brought up? Would it not have worked for the two brothers in this episode?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know too much about medicine; however, I&#8217;ve been researching a bit about graft-versus-host disease and bone marrow transplants, and after re-watching this episode, I&#8217;m wondering something&#8230;</p>
<p>Many websites say that peripheral blood is used for transplants nowadays rather than actual marrow. I&#8217;ve read that removing the marrow from the hip is considered a &#8216;traditional&#8217; process. Apparently, after several injections of filgrastim, the donor can undergo aphaeresis to remove the blood stem cells directly from their blood. Is this true, and if so, how often do they perform transplants using this method? Why has it not been brought up? Would it not have worked for the two brothers in this episode?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should make a correction here. Cuddy said there wasn&#039;t enough marrow, not that it was weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should make a correction here. Cuddy said there wasn&#8217;t enough marrow, not that it was weak.</p>
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