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	<title>Comments on: House &#8211; Episode 3 (Season 4): “97 Seconds”</title>
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		<title>By: John P. G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P. G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-Cuddy, (does she have a real name?) and Cuddy herself, don&#039;t seem to realize what kind of doctors House and Foreman are. Neither are the type of doctors that deal with normal, everyday cases, in fact House openly tries to avoid them. The rules were designed for typical cases, not the rare conditions House deals with. In other words, they give House and Foreman cases that the rules are insufficent to deal with, and they shouldn&#039;t be expected to follow them. Quite simply, Foreman&#039;s firing, while predictible, was both unfair and just plain stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-Cuddy, (does she have a real name?) and Cuddy herself, don&#8217;t seem to realize what kind of doctors House and Foreman are. Neither are the type of doctors that deal with normal, everyday cases, in fact House openly tries to avoid them. The rules were designed for typical cases, not the rare conditions House deals with. In other words, they give House and Foreman cases that the rules are insufficent to deal with, and they shouldn&#8217;t be expected to follow them. Quite simply, Foreman&#8217;s firing, while predictible, was both unfair and just plain stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sydnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Sydnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur -- National Electric Code only requires hospital-grade receptacles for inpatient sleeping beds or procedure table beds used in a critical care area.

Standard grade outlets may be used in treatment rooms of clinics, medical and dental offices, or outpatient facilities, because these locations don’t have a “patient bed location” as defined in NEC 517.2.

Therefore, no green dot outlet is required in House&#039;s office.

Otherwise, I agree with your other objections.  120VAC is enough to cause muscle contraction, but not severe burns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur &#8212; National Electric Code only requires hospital-grade receptacles for inpatient sleeping beds or procedure table beds used in a critical care area.</p>
<p>Standard grade outlets may be used in treatment rooms of clinics, medical and dental offices, or outpatient facilities, because these locations don’t have a “patient bed location” as defined in NEC 517.2.</p>
<p>Therefore, no green dot outlet is required in House&#8217;s office.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I agree with your other objections.  120VAC is enough to cause muscle contraction, but not severe burns.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 04:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is late, but I am catching up on my House episodes. Has anyone ever tried giving a dog pills that are not flavored for dogs? They spit them right out.  I find it very hard to believe that Hoover vacuumed up those pills. Also - they were saying he was an old dog. NO WAY!!! My dog is 14 &amp; a half. That wasn&#039;t an old dog.
However - I enjoyed the episode. I have a very high suspension of disbelief when watching House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is late, but I am catching up on my House episodes. Has anyone ever tried giving a dog pills that are not flavored for dogs? They spit them right out.  I find it very hard to believe that Hoover vacuumed up those pills. Also &#8211; they were saying he was an old dog. NO WAY!!! My dog is 14 &amp; a half. That wasn&#8217;t an old dog.<br />
However &#8211; I enjoyed the episode. I have a very high suspension of disbelief when watching House.</p>
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		<title>By: House &#8211; Medical Reviews &#171; Biblioteca Médica Virtual &#8211; Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>House &#8211; Medical Reviews &#171; Biblioteca Médica Virtual &#8211; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 22:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seguro que recordáis: un paciente con la sangre de color verde (Episodio 3, Temporada 4): &#8220;97 seconds&#8220;. Y también el enlace al artículo de The Lancet con un caso real: &#8220;Dark green blood [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seguro que recordáis: un paciente con la sangre de color verde (Episodio 3, Temporada 4): &#8220;97 seconds&#8220;. Y también el enlace al artículo de The Lancet con un caso real: &#8220;Dark green blood [...]</p>
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		<title>By: trlkly</title>
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		<dc:creator>trlkly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! The whole point of the episode is the question &quot;Is death better than life.&quot; House tests this theory. The guy clearly believes it. He is not motivated to get well.

Does he intentionally give the medicine to the dog? No. But he does intentionally NOT ask for more. They make it quite clear that he decided he didn&#039;t want to keep getting worse, and was looking for a way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! The whole point of the episode is the question &#8220;Is death better than life.&#8221; House tests this theory. The guy clearly believes it. He is not motivated to get well.</p>
<p>Does he intentionally give the medicine to the dog? No. But he does intentionally NOT ask for more. They make it quite clear that he decided he didn&#8217;t want to keep getting worse, and was looking for a way out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked at a medium level hospital for several years,  and the only areas that have the hospital type (green dot) outlets, are in the ER, some patient rooms, and ICU.  They are not in any conference rooms, office rooms,  waiting rooms, etc.   Just sayin....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked at a medium level hospital for several years,  and the only areas that have the hospital type (green dot) outlets, are in the ER, some patient rooms, and ICU.  They are not in any conference rooms, office rooms,  waiting rooms, etc.   Just sayin&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for the clinic patient — I am not an electrician — but wouldn’t you need to complete the circuit, that is have metal in both parts of the socket, for the electricity to flow (assuming the hospital is grounded correctly)?&quot;

As has already been alluded to, the current has to have a way to get back &quot;home&quot; (complete the circuit).  The &quot;hot&quot; portion is just that — the ungrounded side of the circuit.  The other prong is the &quot;neutral&quot; which is so named because it is at ground potential and therefore not capable of zapping someone.  

Since one side of the circuit is connected to earth ground, anything also connected to ground is an alternate path for the juice to get &quot;home&quot;.  As a kid I once stuck something in a wall socket and got flung into the middle of the room.  Looking back on that I remember there being a floor grill I was in contact with that was part of the heating system, so that was my &quot;ground&quot;.

As was also mentioned, there is some resistance when the body completes the circuit, so some flash burning isn&#039;t possible at that voltage.  By the way, current is the flow of electrons, voltage is the amount of &quot;push&quot; they have to get there. So, the only way for there to be that amount of arcing would be to go straight from the hot to the neutral with a straight piece of metal.  Even then the breaker would trip before such heavy burning would take place.  But I don&#039;t mind this break from reality for dramatic effect.  I mean, this IS about drama rather than a course in Electrician 101.

But what does rankle me is the sloppiness or incompetence by the on-set electrician who either didn&#039;t care, or didn&#039;t have enough basic knowhow to install a hospital-grade device (green dot) for the shock scene.  I have to wonder was he merely incompetent, or was this an unconscious gesture on his part or on the part of the higher-ups that reflects  underlying contempt for the viewers (as in “Screw ‘em;  they won’t know the difference”)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the clinic patient — I am not an electrician — but wouldn’t you need to complete the circuit, that is have metal in both parts of the socket, for the electricity to flow (assuming the hospital is grounded correctly)?&#8221;</p>
<p>As has already been alluded to, the current has to have a way to get back &#8220;home&#8221; (complete the circuit).  The &#8220;hot&#8221; portion is just that — the ungrounded side of the circuit.  The other prong is the &#8220;neutral&#8221; which is so named because it is at ground potential and therefore not capable of zapping someone.  </p>
<p>Since one side of the circuit is connected to earth ground, anything also connected to ground is an alternate path for the juice to get &#8220;home&#8221;.  As a kid I once stuck something in a wall socket and got flung into the middle of the room.  Looking back on that I remember there being a floor grill I was in contact with that was part of the heating system, so that was my &#8220;ground&#8221;.</p>
<p>As was also mentioned, there is some resistance when the body completes the circuit, so some flash burning isn&#8217;t possible at that voltage.  By the way, current is the flow of electrons, voltage is the amount of &#8220;push&#8221; they have to get there. So, the only way for there to be that amount of arcing would be to go straight from the hot to the neutral with a straight piece of metal.  Even then the breaker would trip before such heavy burning would take place.  But I don&#8217;t mind this break from reality for dramatic effect.  I mean, this IS about drama rather than a course in Electrician 101.</p>
<p>But what does rankle me is the sloppiness or incompetence by the on-set electrician who either didn&#8217;t care, or didn&#8217;t have enough basic knowhow to install a hospital-grade device (green dot) for the shock scene.  I have to wonder was he merely incompetent, or was this an unconscious gesture on his part or on the part of the higher-ups that reflects  underlying contempt for the viewers (as in “Screw ‘em;  they won’t know the difference”)?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blake: sorry, that&#039;s wrong. It&#039;s not &quot;safe&quot; to touch a neutral wire, but it&#039;s not because the hot and neutral switch off; instead, it&#039;s because the neutral potential can under some circumstances, such as when there&#039;s a load on the circuit, be significantly different from (your local) ground.

 A US standard 120V outlet is wired with one &quot;hot&quot; wire, one &quot;neutral&quot; wire, and (possibly) one &quot;ground&quot; wire. The hot wire swings from about +170V to about -170V and back 60 times per second with respect to ground, the neutral wire is supposed to be at about the same as ground (there are reasons why it occasionally wouldn&#039;t be), and the ground wire, if it&#039;s present, is supposed to be wired as directly as possible to a ground electrode.

What you described is slightly closer to a 240V outlet, where there are two &quot;hot&quot; wires of opposite phase (when one of them is -170V, the other one is +170V, and vice versa) and no neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blake: sorry, that&#8217;s wrong. It&#8217;s not &#8220;safe&#8221; to touch a neutral wire, but it&#8217;s not because the hot and neutral switch off; instead, it&#8217;s because the neutral potential can under some circumstances, such as when there&#8217;s a load on the circuit, be significantly different from (your local) ground.</p>
<p> A US standard 120V outlet is wired with one &#8220;hot&#8221; wire, one &#8220;neutral&#8221; wire, and (possibly) one &#8220;ground&#8221; wire. The hot wire swings from about +170V to about -170V and back 60 times per second with respect to ground, the neutral wire is supposed to be at about the same as ground (there are reasons why it occasionally wouldn&#8217;t be), and the ground wire, if it&#8217;s present, is supposed to be wired as directly as possible to a ground electrode.</p>
<p>What you described is slightly closer to a 240V outlet, where there are two &#8220;hot&#8221; wires of opposite phase (when one of them is -170V, the other one is +170V, and vice versa) and no neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakeegill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakeegill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe 
August 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm 

Nevermind. Totally reminded me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe<br />
August 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm </p>
<p>Nevermind. Totally reminded me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakeegill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakeegill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, sorry for the double post, but she may not have known the severity of his loss of limb use. Perhaps he would have taken the pills had he the full use of his arms.

Dramatically, I think that the reason he didn&#039;t take the pills is hidden so that the audience has a better hint of the agony she faced at the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, sorry for the double post, but she may not have known the severity of his loss of limb use. Perhaps he would have taken the pills had he the full use of his arms.</p>
<p>Dramatically, I think that the reason he didn&#8217;t take the pills is hidden so that the audience has a better hint of the agony she faced at the end.</p>
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