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	<title>Comments on: X-Men &#8212; Manifest Destiny #2:  A Medical Review</title>
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		<title>By: JD Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a hemodialysis nurse I should comment here that &quot;prepping a hemodialysis filter&quot; won&#039;t do you much good without the hemodialysis MACHINE.  In fact, you can&#039;t prep the filter without setting up and prepping a machine at the same time.  

Now what good hemodialysis would do is kind of a stretch.  Using the onboard heater on a dialysis machine is a pretty radical way to warm the patient&#039;s blood, but without a central line catheter or atrio-venous fistula to access the bloodstream 

it&#039;s a waste of time.  No access, no dialysis, no blood warming.

Point of order: in an old issue of Marvel Team-Up from the 1980&#039;s Iceman and the Human Torch were told my Mister Fantastic that they essentially had the same powers as &quot;human  heat pumps&quot;, just externalized differently  (Johnny externalizes the heat he absorbs from the environment, Bobby internalizes it.)  That&#039;s why Bobby never gets cold; he&#039;s always toasty inside.

Of course, that may not be canon anymore.  Jim Shooter was EIC then.  Your mileage may vary.

~~JD~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a hemodialysis nurse I should comment here that &#8220;prepping a hemodialysis filter&#8221; won&#8217;t do you much good without the hemodialysis MACHINE.  In fact, you can&#8217;t prep the filter without setting up and prepping a machine at the same time.  </p>
<p>Now what good hemodialysis would do is kind of a stretch.  Using the onboard heater on a dialysis machine is a pretty radical way to warm the patient&#8217;s blood, but without a central line catheter or atrio-venous fistula to access the bloodstream </p>
<p>it&#8217;s a waste of time.  No access, no dialysis, no blood warming.</p>
<p>Point of order: in an old issue of Marvel Team-Up from the 1980&#8217;s Iceman and the Human Torch were told my Mister Fantastic that they essentially had the same powers as &#8220;human  heat pumps&#8221;, just externalized differently  (Johnny externalizes the heat he absorbs from the environment, Bobby internalizes it.)  That&#8217;s why Bobby never gets cold; he&#8217;s always toasty inside.</p>
<p>Of course, that may not be canon anymore.  Jim Shooter was EIC then.  Your mileage may vary.</p>
<p>~~JD~~</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Duggan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymous - *shrug* The same way that Colossus or Kitty could get hurt physical when not shifted? Or, for that matter, Husk, whose power was seemingly only skin deep. Marvel transformation seems to be an &quot;all at once&quot; thing where your normal physiology is replaced by whatever it is you turn into. And once you&#039;re transformed, you are that material completely, so Frost can get shattered and survive and I want to say that Colossus has taken fairly deep damage and it&#039;s metal all the way down. Therefore, pre-transformation, you only get the mutant ability to shrug off non-plot-related damage as &quot;flesh wounds&quot;.

Admittedly, I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s any support for Bobby doing fine in the cold in his regular form. I know that initially, he stayed fleshy and was just surrounded by the cold (and in fact, looked more like a snow man) and it was only a later development that he turned fully into ice including the ability to melt (and reform!).

By the by, did they ever do any development on the &quot;he may be the most powerful mutant alive&quot; bit they started on while Frost possessed him? Something along the lines of that his powers were actually temperature control and matter creation, and that mental blocks were all that kept him on this ice theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous &#8211; *shrug* The same way that Colossus or Kitty could get hurt physical when not shifted? Or, for that matter, Husk, whose power was seemingly only skin deep. Marvel transformation seems to be an &#8220;all at once&#8221; thing where your normal physiology is replaced by whatever it is you turn into. And once you&#8217;re transformed, you are that material completely, so Frost can get shattered and survive and I want to say that Colossus has taken fairly deep damage and it&#8217;s metal all the way down. Therefore, pre-transformation, you only get the mutant ability to shrug off non-plot-related damage as &#8220;flesh wounds&#8221;.</p>
<p>Admittedly, I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s any support for Bobby doing fine in the cold in his regular form. I know that initially, he stayed fleshy and was just surrounded by the cold (and in fact, looked more like a snow man) and it was only a later development that he turned fully into ice including the ability to melt (and reform!).</p>
<p>By the by, did they ever do any development on the &#8220;he may be the most powerful mutant alive&#8221; bit they started on while Frost possessed him? Something along the lines of that his powers were actually temperature control and matter creation, and that mental blocks were all that kept him on this ice theme.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t he freaking iceman? how can he get hypothermia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t he freaking iceman? how can he get hypothermia?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he&#039;s received a concusion he would probably have at least one blown out pupil. Maybe the doctor should stop trying to mount Iceman and take a gander....

And while he&#039;s at it run a DCAP-BTLS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he&#8217;s received a concusion he would probably have at least one blown out pupil. Maybe the doctor should stop trying to mount Iceman and take a gander&#8230;.</p>
<p>And while he&#8217;s at it run a DCAP-BTLS</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that when Iceman wasn&#039;t using his power, his body temperature was normal, though I can&#039;t think of anything for or against that. It could be that when he activates his Iceman power he can&#039;t get hypothermia, but if he can&#039;t activate it for some reason (like he&#039;s just been thrown out of a plane and has a concussion), then maybe he can indeed get hypothermia. It could be, like Carl says, that he&#039;s trying to use his power in that scene but can&#039;t concentrate enough to make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that when Iceman wasn&#8217;t using his power, his body temperature was normal, though I can&#8217;t think of anything for or against that. It could be that when he activates his Iceman power he can&#8217;t get hypothermia, but if he can&#8217;t activate it for some reason (like he&#8217;s just been thrown out of a plane and has a concussion), then maybe he can indeed get hypothermia. It could be, like Carl says, that he&#8217;s trying to use his power in that scene but can&#8217;t concentrate enough to make it work.</p>
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		<title>By: GAZZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAZZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl - you&#039;re probably right, and I&#039;m an idiot. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl &#8211; you&#8217;re probably right, and I&#8217;m an idiot. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She knows his brain activity is low because she&#039;s been reading the X-Men for years.  It&#039;s always been low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She knows his brain activity is low because she&#8217;s been reading the X-Men for years.  It&#8217;s always been low.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gazza, I bet what Bobby is trying to say is that he needs to be colder in order to recover.  By treating him as if he were an unmodified human, the doctor is inadvertently harming him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gazza, I bet what Bobby is trying to say is that he needs to be colder in order to recover.  By treating him as if he were an unmodified human, the doctor is inadvertently harming him.</p>
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		<title>By: GAZZA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAZZA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly haven&#039;t been reading the comics lately, but can Iceman really get hypothermia? If he wasn&#039;t immune to the effects of cold, surely he&#039;d be pretty much ALWAYS hypothermic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly haven&#8217;t been reading the comics lately, but can Iceman really get hypothermia? If he wasn&#8217;t immune to the effects of cold, surely he&#8217;d be pretty much ALWAYS hypothermic?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, shouldn&#039;t his skin color be somewhat pale? He&#039;s colored in exactly the same skin tones as the doctor and nurse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, shouldn&#8217;t his skin color be somewhat pale? He&#8217;s colored in exactly the same skin tones as the doctor and nurse.</p>
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