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	<title>Comments on: Fringe &#8211; Episode 7: &#8220;In Which We Meet Mr. Jones&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: ecoli</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/2124/comment-page-1#comment-1123318</link>
		<dc:creator>ecoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RoK,
the Bundestag is more of an House of Representatives (at least in the US). The Senate, that would be the &quot;Bundesrat&quot;. Also, the German government does not work quite like the American one (just as a reminder), but it&#039;s still the best approximation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RoK,<br />
the Bundestag is more of an House of Representatives (at least in the US). The Senate, that would be the &#8220;Bundesrat&#8221;. Also, the German government does not work quite like the American one (just as a reminder), but it&#8217;s still the best approximation.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of this series is future development oriented.  On the idea of it being 1970s fringe science instead of current fringe science, and so being scifi cliche now...I can&#039;t recall, but isn&#039;t one of the men involved in making this turkey the same one who made the &quot;new&quot; Battlestar Galactica and claimed he&#039;d &quot;saved science fiction&quot; with his use of the extremely cliche and hackneyed old scifi plotline about how all of this has happened before and will happen again and again until it gets done right?  If it is, I&#039;d guess he&#039;s using old plotlines he assumes an audience of 25 or younger won&#039;t be familiar with any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of this series is future development oriented.  On the idea of it being 1970s fringe science instead of current fringe science, and so being scifi cliche now&#8230;I can&#8217;t recall, but isn&#8217;t one of the men involved in making this turkey the same one who made the &#8220;new&#8221; Battlestar Galactica and claimed he&#8217;d &#8220;saved science fiction&#8221; with his use of the extremely cliche and hackneyed old scifi plotline about how all of this has happened before and will happen again and again until it gets done right?  If it is, I&#8217;d guess he&#8217;s using old plotlines he assumes an audience of 25 or younger won&#8217;t be familiar with any more.</p>
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		<title>By: MLO</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the party, and maybe no one is reading this any more, but here goes:

I&#039;m not going to dispute any of the medical stuff because I have only second hand knowledge of medical jargon.  But on a whim I Googled thermophylic hydrolase and the first hit was for a published paper on a thermophylic Brevibacillus capable of producing bile salt hydrolase.  

That combined with the fact that Mebendazole is a medication prescribed for worm infestations could possibly indicate a future development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party, and maybe no one is reading this any more, but here goes:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to dispute any of the medical stuff because I have only second hand knowledge of medical jargon.  But on a whim I Googled thermophylic hydrolase and the first hit was for a published paper on a thermophylic Brevibacillus capable of producing bile salt hydrolase.  </p>
<p>That combined with the fact that Mebendazole is a medication prescribed for worm infestations could possibly indicate a future development?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/2124/comment-page-1#comment-438825</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think it fails to stick to &quot;fringe science&quot; all that much, falling back on what was perhaps fringe science in the 1970s but which has become SF cliche. As for the convenience of having every week&#039;s puzzle tie into Bishop&#039;s research, well, I thought it was a plot point that &quot;The Pattern&quot; seemed to tie into Bishop&#039;s research and his former paymasters at Scarycorp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think it fails to stick to &#8220;fringe science&#8221; all that much, falling back on what was perhaps fringe science in the 1970s but which has become SF cliche. As for the convenience of having every week&#8217;s puzzle tie into Bishop&#8217;s research, well, I thought it was a plot point that &#8220;The Pattern&#8221; seemed to tie into Bishop&#8217;s research and his former paymasters at Scarycorp.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say this show needs better writing is an understatement. Too many things suspend my belief and distract and annoy me:

They transport a surgery patient from a well equipped medical facility, in the middle of an open chest procedure, by wrapping him in a ziplock bag and moving him, while his heart is still exposed? Wouldnt it have made some sense to close that up for transport? Not to mention the destination is a Harvard basement not specifically set up as a medical facility. Happens to have a cow over in the corner, which might explain the ziplock bag. 

What about the students? They&#039;re not going to notice these kinds of things happening every episode? Agents bringing all manner of things into a basement? How about two agents standing in an open hallway discussing sensitive details of the case out loud? Not to mention that there&#039;s no way episode after episode key pieces of the investigation, and/or victims, are going to get moved out of a secure facility in the first place. Bishop would be brought to their facility, not the other way around. What is the obsession with having to use the Harvard basement.

Then there is Bishop himself. How come every episode he has been involved in something in his former research that bears conveniently on every new case? Why is the writing so predictable?

The problem then really arises when the show wishes to present us with something that is meant to stretch our belief, such as a parasite wrapped around a guy&#039;s heart. In a setting where everything is unbelievable that is not supposed to be, the thing that is actually unbelievable simply does not sell. Remember Alien? That parasite popping out of that guy&#039;s chest sold. Have some realism and believability please when trying to present science fiction otherwise you present a farce.

That&#039;s not to say the show does not have things going for it. It has a good premise. It has good characters. It has a potentially interesting mystery unfolding around them. Unfortunately it has pretty poor writing and very poor execution. Take the German and the way it is handled in this episode. So many things done so poorly within production.

I couldnt even finish this episode before I got frustrated with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say this show needs better writing is an understatement. Too many things suspend my belief and distract and annoy me:</p>
<p>They transport a surgery patient from a well equipped medical facility, in the middle of an open chest procedure, by wrapping him in a ziplock bag and moving him, while his heart is still exposed? Wouldnt it have made some sense to close that up for transport? Not to mention the destination is a Harvard basement not specifically set up as a medical facility. Happens to have a cow over in the corner, which might explain the ziplock bag. </p>
<p>What about the students? They&#8217;re not going to notice these kinds of things happening every episode? Agents bringing all manner of things into a basement? How about two agents standing in an open hallway discussing sensitive details of the case out loud? Not to mention that there&#8217;s no way episode after episode key pieces of the investigation, and/or victims, are going to get moved out of a secure facility in the first place. Bishop would be brought to their facility, not the other way around. What is the obsession with having to use the Harvard basement.</p>
<p>Then there is Bishop himself. How come every episode he has been involved in something in his former research that bears conveniently on every new case? Why is the writing so predictable?</p>
<p>The problem then really arises when the show wishes to present us with something that is meant to stretch our belief, such as a parasite wrapped around a guy&#8217;s heart. In a setting where everything is unbelievable that is not supposed to be, the thing that is actually unbelievable simply does not sell. Remember Alien? That parasite popping out of that guy&#8217;s chest sold. Have some realism and believability please when trying to present science fiction otherwise you present a farce.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say the show does not have things going for it. It has a good premise. It has good characters. It has a potentially interesting mystery unfolding around them. Unfortunately it has pretty poor writing and very poor execution. Take the German and the way it is handled in this episode. So many things done so poorly within production.</p>
<p>I couldnt even finish this episode before I got frustrated with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Whiteside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Whiteside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed that the thermophilic hydrolase was a weakly-implemented clue to the creature&#039;s origin, given the mysterious underground pods a few episodes before. I&#039;ll be mightily disappointed if it turns out I&#039;m right and the series is all about mole people though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed that the thermophilic hydrolase was a weakly-implemented clue to the creature&#8217;s origin, given the mysterious underground pods a few episodes before. I&#8217;ll be mightily disappointed if it turns out I&#8217;m right and the series is all about mole people though.</p>
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		<title>By: Alix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who thinks in text?&lt;/i&gt;

I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who thinks in text?</i></p>
<p>I do.</p>
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		<title>By: adrienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAL: glad I wasn&#039;t the only one who kept humming Mario Brothers song to myself, then.

As ridiculous as I find this show, I can&#039;t help but love Walter Bishop. I certainly can&#039;t be the only one who wants to say goodbye to the actual plot and have some sort of freak &quot;Truman-Show&quot; like tv show that follows around Walter Bishop as he searches desperately for Swedish Fish, or whatever he wants that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAL: glad I wasn&#8217;t the only one who kept humming Mario Brothers song to myself, then.</p>
<p>As ridiculous as I find this show, I can&#8217;t help but love Walter Bishop. I certainly can&#8217;t be the only one who wants to say goodbye to the actual plot and have some sort of freak &#8220;Truman-Show&#8221; like tv show that follows around Walter Bishop as he searches desperately for Swedish Fish, or whatever he wants that day.</p>
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		<title>By: RAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, the victim has my last name, which is freaky. Secondly, as soon as they showed it, I was done. It looks a piranha plant something from Mario. 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a8/Piranha_Plant.jpg/180px-Piranha_Plant.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, the victim has my last name, which is freaky. Secondly, as soon as they showed it, I was done. It looks a piranha plant something from Mario.<br />
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Matt C.!  That whole ZFT/AGU made me so mad, especially because it&#039;s so simple.  And also, saying it was repeated numerous times throughout the genome, well....of course.  There are only four letters possible, so you&#039;re going to get that arrangement pretty frequently.  It would be one thing if it was repeated in frame at specific intervals or something, but.....whatever.

And RoK, I&#039;m not even German (and the sound on my DVR kept cutting out) and I thought the accents were pretty atrocious.  I can&#039;t imagine how it must have sounded to a native speaker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Matt C.!  That whole ZFT/AGU made me so mad, especially because it&#8217;s so simple.  And also, saying it was repeated numerous times throughout the genome, well&#8230;.of course.  There are only four letters possible, so you&#8217;re going to get that arrangement pretty frequently.  It would be one thing if it was repeated in frame at specific intervals or something, but&#8230;..whatever.</p>
<p>And RoK, I&#8217;m not even German (and the sound on my DVR kept cutting out) and I thought the accents were pretty atrocious.  I can&#8217;t imagine how it must have sounded to a native speaker!</p>
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