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	<title>Comments on: Fringe &#8211; Episode 12: &#8220;The No-Brainer&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Sergey Zaharchenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergey Zaharchenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 06:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody seems to have mentioned that the dotted quads of numbers shown when they trace the killer file download are supposed to be IP addresses, but aren&#039;t valid.

They somehow detected the download before the girl pushed the button, which means it was downloaded in the background. If I were an ubervillain and wanted to play a movie to a victim, I&#039;d download it realtime in such a way that none of it would hit the HDD.

It&#039;s funny how Peter asks what the hand looked like, when normally he should have asked what she did before the hand appeared or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody seems to have mentioned that the dotted quads of numbers shown when they trace the killer file download are supposed to be IP addresses, but aren&#8217;t valid.</p>
<p>They somehow detected the download before the girl pushed the button, which means it was downloaded in the background. If I were an ubervillain and wanted to play a movie to a victim, I&#8217;d download it realtime in such a way that none of it would hit the HDD.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how Peter asks what the hand looked like, when normally he should have asked what she did before the hand appeared or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just picked up the first season and have been plowing through it, since I need something to scratch my ridiculous conspiracy tv itch and don&#039;t feel like catching up on Lost. What this show reminds me of more than anything is Millennium (whose first season is one of my favorite tv shows of all time). But I definitely get Scott&#039;s objections, and think the above commenter is a little off-base. Sure, the show doesn&#039;t have to be accurate or educational, but the writers consistently mangle basic facts that a decent high school student would be able to point out. My favorites so far are the conservation of mass problems and the howlingly bad explanation of the &quot;giant cold virus&quot;- not only is that much less scary than an unexplained slug-like parasite, it&#039;s science that wouldn&#039;t have sounded out of place coming from Peter Graves in a Bert I. Gordon movie.

Incidentally, does anyone else get the impression that someone on the staff of this show is a Cronenberg fan? First we had the Shivers-like (well, until the moronic &quot;common cold&quot; explanation) slug parasite, and now an episode rips off one of the most famous effects shots from Videodrome. And come to think of it, the psychosomatic injuries from the Dreamscape episode are a bit like the Psychoplasmics stuff in The Brood, though that&#039;s a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just picked up the first season and have been plowing through it, since I need something to scratch my ridiculous conspiracy tv itch and don&#8217;t feel like catching up on Lost. What this show reminds me of more than anything is Millennium (whose first season is one of my favorite tv shows of all time). But I definitely get Scott&#8217;s objections, and think the above commenter is a little off-base. Sure, the show doesn&#8217;t have to be accurate or educational, but the writers consistently mangle basic facts that a decent high school student would be able to point out. My favorites so far are the conservation of mass problems and the howlingly bad explanation of the &#8220;giant cold virus&#8221;- not only is that much less scary than an unexplained slug-like parasite, it&#8217;s science that wouldn&#8217;t have sounded out of place coming from Peter Graves in a Bert I. Gordon movie.</p>
<p>Incidentally, does anyone else get the impression that someone on the staff of this show is a Cronenberg fan? First we had the Shivers-like (well, until the moronic &#8220;common cold&#8221; explanation) slug parasite, and now an episode rips off one of the most famous effects shots from Videodrome. And come to think of it, the psychosomatic injuries from the Dreamscape episode are a bit like the Psychoplasmics stuff in The Brood, though that&#8217;s a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Broadcast engineer guy</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/2208/comment-page-1#comment-724073</link>
		<dc:creator>Broadcast engineer guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well as the characters themselves have mentioned many many times that they are working in psuedo science.  I don&#039;t think its intended to be taken as a lesson in real science or how it works anymore than Star Wars was.  It really is more about characters facing the same fears we all have of a world where tech is getting more and more wild just the characters face it in a more tangible albeit highly fictional manner.  

To say that this show will die based on its scientific merit would be shortsighted since Star Trek, Star Gate or any other  long running television franchise also has characters working with fictional science.  I suggest Nova or your local space and science museum if your are looking for actual science facts and stop expecting every writer to carry Degrees in every subject they write about.  Its like a chef telling bill cosby that he knows nothing about pudding and shouldn&#039;t talk about it, something Bill knows but still sells because people like it for what it is fake stuff in a box pretending to be food.  I suspect that is why the show is called Fringe and not Walters fact finding hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well as the characters themselves have mentioned many many times that they are working in psuedo science.  I don&#8217;t think its intended to be taken as a lesson in real science or how it works anymore than Star Wars was.  It really is more about characters facing the same fears we all have of a world where tech is getting more and more wild just the characters face it in a more tangible albeit highly fictional manner.  </p>
<p>To say that this show will die based on its scientific merit would be shortsighted since Star Trek, Star Gate or any other  long running television franchise also has characters working with fictional science.  I suggest Nova or your local space and science museum if your are looking for actual science facts and stop expecting every writer to carry Degrees in every subject they write about.  Its like a chef telling bill cosby that he knows nothing about pudding and shouldn&#8217;t talk about it, something Bill knows but still sells because people like it for what it is fake stuff in a box pretending to be food.  I suspect that is why the show is called Fringe and not Walters fact finding hour.</p>
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		<title>By: The non-science of Fringe: The No-Brainer &#171; weak interactions</title>
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		<dc:creator>The non-science of Fringe: The No-Brainer &#171; weak interactions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] episode is debunked at Popular Mechanics and Polite Dissent, and you can read more about it at Fox, IMDb and the A.V. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Biz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fringe seems to be a is good TV series. It a bit similar to Torchwood and X Files. I just hope that it will not be spoiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fringe seems to be a is good TV series. It a bit similar to Torchwood and X Files. I just hope that it will not be spoiled.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/2208/comment-page-1#comment-471387</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half the fun of watching Fringe is to come here and read the review afterward. 

Sort of to reconstruct my brain to some degree after I&#039;ve melted it watching bad tv.

Which tangentially relates to this episode!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half the fun of watching Fringe is to come here and read the review afterward. </p>
<p>Sort of to reconstruct my brain to some degree after I&#8217;ve melted it watching bad tv.</p>
<p>Which tangentially relates to this episode!  :D</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Gagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Gagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Scott,
 I agree with your decision on stopping review of Fringe. Why not review &quot;Eleventh Hour&quot;? Its not as flashy but the theory is plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Scott,<br />
 I agree with your decision on stopping review of Fringe. Why not review &#8220;Eleventh Hour&#8221;? Its not as flashy but the theory is plausible.</p>
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		<title>By: Kutulu</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/2208/comment-page-1#comment-469471</link>
		<dc:creator>Kutulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me just echo everyone else&#039;s sentiments: don&#039;t let the total absurdity of the science stop you from reviewing Fringe!  The &quot;science&quot; in the show is obviously meant to be only tangentially related to reality.  I mean, not only does the lead character has her dead ex-boyfriends memories &quot;hidden&quot; inside her brain, but the big evil corporation actually noticed they were &quot;missing&quot; from their original host.

As a CS major, I *always* cringe a lot when sci-fi writers play computer forensics crime writer, but frankly, this show was more realistic than most major motion pictures.  Medically speaking, the melting brain thing may have been bunk, but that&#039;s not my department.  Playing lots of wierd images, patterns, and high-pitched noises it certainly nothing technologically unrealistic.  As far as the computer stuff goes, these seem to be the biggest complaints:

* It is practically impossible for software to cause physical hardware damage to the computer it runs on (old-timers may have had fun making MFM drives hop off the table and smash themselves to bits, but that was back in the stone age).  Even if somehow this malware managed to cook the drive, it would have shut the PC down from overheating long before the metal in the drives melted.

* Astrid couldn&#039;t possibly know that the platters were &quot;fused&quot; without opening up the drive -- a drive that damaged wouldn&#039;t even register as present on the PC it was attached to.  Of course, the simplest explanation is that she was just wrong, since there&#039;s no way *anyone* could get data off &quot;fused&quot; platters, yet all Peter&#039;s buddy had to do was plug the drive into a normal controller and boot up.

* The idea that the evil file downloaded itself in the background in millions of pieces is completely plausible, and is actually how most ad-ware works these days.

* The idea that the hacker could somehow &quot;detect&quot; another download of the file is wrong mainly on scale.  Someone with enough CPU power and access to the right access points (basically the phone companies) could monitor traffic to/from a known set of addresses and pick up patterns.  AT&amp;T was caught doing exactly this with *voice* traffic for the NSA, and that&#039;s significantly more complex than just monitoring endpoint address.

* The idea that some guy could do it in a matter of minutes from his basement PC is just silly.

* And lastly, for Scott -- your speakers can probably play tones well above and below the range of human hearing.  Again, it&#039;s the scale -- volume -- that&#039;s the problem, not the frequency.
--Kutulu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just echo everyone else&#8217;s sentiments: don&#8217;t let the total absurdity of the science stop you from reviewing Fringe!  The &#8220;science&#8221; in the show is obviously meant to be only tangentially related to reality.  I mean, not only does the lead character has her dead ex-boyfriends memories &#8220;hidden&#8221; inside her brain, but the big evil corporation actually noticed they were &#8220;missing&#8221; from their original host.</p>
<p>As a CS major, I *always* cringe a lot when sci-fi writers play computer forensics crime writer, but frankly, this show was more realistic than most major motion pictures.  Medically speaking, the melting brain thing may have been bunk, but that&#8217;s not my department.  Playing lots of wierd images, patterns, and high-pitched noises it certainly nothing technologically unrealistic.  As far as the computer stuff goes, these seem to be the biggest complaints:</p>
<p>* It is practically impossible for software to cause physical hardware damage to the computer it runs on (old-timers may have had fun making MFM drives hop off the table and smash themselves to bits, but that was back in the stone age).  Even if somehow this malware managed to cook the drive, it would have shut the PC down from overheating long before the metal in the drives melted.</p>
<p>* Astrid couldn&#8217;t possibly know that the platters were &#8220;fused&#8221; without opening up the drive &#8212; a drive that damaged wouldn&#8217;t even register as present on the PC it was attached to.  Of course, the simplest explanation is that she was just wrong, since there&#8217;s no way *anyone* could get data off &#8220;fused&#8221; platters, yet all Peter&#8217;s buddy had to do was plug the drive into a normal controller and boot up.</p>
<p>* The idea that the evil file downloaded itself in the background in millions of pieces is completely plausible, and is actually how most ad-ware works these days.</p>
<p>* The idea that the hacker could somehow &#8220;detect&#8221; another download of the file is wrong mainly on scale.  Someone with enough CPU power and access to the right access points (basically the phone companies) could monitor traffic to/from a known set of addresses and pick up patterns.  AT&amp;T was caught doing exactly this with *voice* traffic for the NSA, and that&#8217;s significantly more complex than just monitoring endpoint address.</p>
<p>* The idea that some guy could do it in a matter of minutes from his basement PC is just silly.</p>
<p>* And lastly, for Scott &#8212; your speakers can probably play tones well above and below the range of human hearing.  Again, it&#8217;s the scale &#8212; volume &#8212; that&#8217;s the problem, not the frequency.<br />
&#8211;Kutulu</p>
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		<title>By: Morrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still enjoy Fringe. I take it for what it is, a fantasy show. It doesn&#039;t want to be anything different than that. You watch it and suspend your disbelief. It doesn&#039;t want to mimic the real world, it&#039;s not ER, where the whole point is to portray &quot;real world&quot; situations. 

All Fringe stories are extreme and implausible. Some remind me of certain episodes of X-Files. Trying to &quot;make sense&quot; of the medicine or the science is a wasted effort, in my opinion, and of course in the end that leads to frustration and one doesn&#039;t really enjoy the show.

I keep watching Fringe because, to me, it&#039;s entertaining enough. The cast is good and the episodes are well shot. It&#039;s not realistic enough? Who cares, in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still enjoy Fringe. I take it for what it is, a fantasy show. It doesn&#8217;t want to be anything different than that. You watch it and suspend your disbelief. It doesn&#8217;t want to mimic the real world, it&#8217;s not ER, where the whole point is to portray &#8220;real world&#8221; situations. </p>
<p>All Fringe stories are extreme and implausible. Some remind me of certain episodes of X-Files. Trying to &#8220;make sense&#8221; of the medicine or the science is a wasted effort, in my opinion, and of course in the end that leads to frustration and one doesn&#8217;t really enjoy the show.</p>
<p>I keep watching Fringe because, to me, it&#8217;s entertaining enough. The cast is good and the episodes are well shot. It&#8217;s not realistic enough? Who cares, in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
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		<dc:creator>E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please don&#039;t stop writing about Fringe! I am addicted to your write-ups even more than the show itself. You&#039;re a highlight of my week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please don&#8217;t stop writing about Fringe! I am addicted to your write-ups even more than the show itself. You&#8217;re a highlight of my week.</p>
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