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	<title>Comments on: Fringe &#8211; Episode 19: “The Road Not Taken”</title>
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		<title>By: The non-science of Fringe: The Road Not Taken &#171; weak interactions</title>
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		<dc:creator>The non-science of Fringe: The Road Not Taken &#171; weak interactions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] episode is debunked at Polite Dissent, and you can read more about it at Fox, IMDb and the A.V. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sajar, not to mention that they missed the fact that Abrams actually outed the plot to his new Star Trek movie in this episode... and it was done by the guy who played Blaylock in the episode the Corbomite Maneover from the original Star Trek series - a delightful homage.

Or that the document Olivia is holding in her hand when the director&#039;s room reverts back to the correct universe is the photograph of the TWO victims in his universe, rather than the ONE in hers. Which means they now have evidence of there being two universes...
 

I guess that&#039;s what happens when you&#039;re looking too closely at the trees...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sajar, not to mention that they missed the fact that Abrams actually outed the plot to his new Star Trek movie in this episode&#8230; and it was done by the guy who played Blaylock in the episode the Corbomite Maneover from the original Star Trek series &#8211; a delightful homage.</p>
<p>Or that the document Olivia is holding in her hand when the director&#8217;s room reverts back to the correct universe is the photograph of the TWO victims in his universe, rather than the ONE in hers. Which means they now have evidence of there being two universes&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s what happens when you&#8217;re looking too closely at the trees&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sajar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy I&#039;m glad I&#039;m dumb enough to appreciate the list of incorrect facts in this episode.

It&#039;s much easier for me to fantasize that the vibrations would have caused the glass to vibrate from one end to the other and back again, instead of *every* surface of the glass vibrating at the exact same time. And somehow, they were able to decipher the frequency by measuring the distance between the &quot;waves&quot; (or whatever it&#039;s called) on the glass.

And regarding the electron microscope... I&#039;m not really a chemistry/biology, but I&#039;d like to fantasize (once again)... take a whole bunch of high-res images from different angles and positions, and combine them together using a simple pattern recognition algorithm (or just record the whole thing as a video and use optical flow to match the movement in order to map each frame together). That would probably allow them to reduce (if not get rid of) the calibration/preparing samples process.

But all in all, I&#039;m glad that I&#039;m dumb enough to not nitpick what&#039;s wrong with the episode... which is why I enjoyed it immensely. Feel kinda bad for you guys. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m dumb enough to appreciate the list of incorrect facts in this episode.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier for me to fantasize that the vibrations would have caused the glass to vibrate from one end to the other and back again, instead of *every* surface of the glass vibrating at the exact same time. And somehow, they were able to decipher the frequency by measuring the distance between the &#8220;waves&#8221; (or whatever it&#8217;s called) on the glass.</p>
<p>And regarding the electron microscope&#8230; I&#8217;m not really a chemistry/biology, but I&#8217;d like to fantasize (once again)&#8230; take a whole bunch of high-res images from different angles and positions, and combine them together using a simple pattern recognition algorithm (or just record the whole thing as a video and use optical flow to match the movement in order to map each frame together). That would probably allow them to reduce (if not get rid of) the calibration/preparing samples process.</p>
<p>But all in all, I&#8217;m glad that I&#8217;m dumb enough to not nitpick what&#8217;s wrong with the episode&#8230; which is why I enjoyed it immensely. Feel kinda bad for you guys. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It bothered me when Walter stated that the &quot;rhythmic&quot; clicking of the Geiger counter soothed him. But a Geiger counter is highly unlikely to click rhythmically - atomic decay and cosmic rays are unpredictable.

The sound recovery system was utter nonsense from beginning to end - it didn&#039;t even give a nod to sequential recording, like the pottery-sound-recovery myth. It definitely justifies advancing the clock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bothered me when Walter stated that the &#8220;rhythmic&#8221; clicking of the Geiger counter soothed him. But a Geiger counter is highly unlikely to click rhythmically &#8211; atomic decay and cosmic rays are unpredictable.</p>
<p>The sound recovery system was utter nonsense from beginning to end &#8211; it didn&#8217;t even give a nod to sequential recording, like the pottery-sound-recovery myth. It definitely justifies advancing the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: RichterCa</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichterCa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Luckily, Peter has invented a machine that can pull sounds from an apartment window which was melted during the kidnapping.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I would just like to point out that this sentence made my brain hurt...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Luckily, Peter has invented a machine that can pull sounds from an apartment window which was melted during the kidnapping.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I would just like to point out that this sentence made my brain hurt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Withakay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Withakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we weren&#039;t so close to midnight already, I&#039;d say the clock should be moved up at least 30 sec just for Peter’s electron microscope/Geiger counter/mp3 player.

Before addressing my main complain, I&#039;ll just ask why this spiffy invention would be the least bit useful if Walter&#039;s records suffered from water damage?  (How does being exposed to water affect the ability to play the LP&#039;s?   The jackets may be destroyed, but the vinyl should be intact.  Was it special Fringe water that melts vinyl?)

In addition to your points, I&#039;ll add a fundamental flaw to the whole thing.

Even if we grant that 

-It is possible to &quot;naturally&quot; encode sound waves on a microscopic level on a pane of heated glass.
-This special invention doesn&#039;t require special preparation of the samples.
-The background noise could be filtered out.
-The window captured the exact sound with extreme fidelity.

We have the problem of the fact that their recording medium was STATIC, and all the sounds were encoded in the exact same location.
When you capture sound on a record, the stylus is moving across the surface of the record in real time as the record spins and the stylus tracks inwards, such that the captured sound wave is a long continuous stream spiraling inward on the disc, and the data never overlaps.  The window pane was static in place.  Recording sound onto the window in this manner would be like cutting a record with the stylus held fixed in place without the record spinning, or recording onto magnetic tape with out moving the tape across the recording head.  All the information would be encoded in the same spot, and would be absolutely indecipherable and unrecoverable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we weren&#8217;t so close to midnight already, I&#8217;d say the clock should be moved up at least 30 sec just for Peter’s electron microscope/Geiger counter/mp3 player.</p>
<p>Before addressing my main complain, I&#8217;ll just ask why this spiffy invention would be the least bit useful if Walter&#8217;s records suffered from water damage?  (How does being exposed to water affect the ability to play the LP&#8217;s?   The jackets may be destroyed, but the vinyl should be intact.  Was it special Fringe water that melts vinyl?)</p>
<p>In addition to your points, I&#8217;ll add a fundamental flaw to the whole thing.</p>
<p>Even if we grant that </p>
<p>-It is possible to &#8220;naturally&#8221; encode sound waves on a microscopic level on a pane of heated glass.<br />
-This special invention doesn&#8217;t require special preparation of the samples.<br />
-The background noise could be filtered out.<br />
-The window captured the exact sound with extreme fidelity.</p>
<p>We have the problem of the fact that their recording medium was STATIC, and all the sounds were encoded in the exact same location.<br />
When you capture sound on a record, the stylus is moving across the surface of the record in real time as the record spins and the stylus tracks inwards, such that the captured sound wave is a long continuous stream spiraling inward on the disc, and the data never overlaps.  The window pane was static in place.  Recording sound onto the window in this manner would be like cutting a record with the stylus held fixed in place without the record spinning, or recording onto magnetic tape with out moving the tape across the recording head.  All the information would be encoded in the same spot, and would be absolutely indecipherable and unrecoverable.</p>
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