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	<title>Comments on: Fringe &#8212; Episode 7 (Season 2): “Of Human Action”</title>
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		<title>By: EL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ FC:  I love Fringe.  And I love watching it in the way that you say you do (after all what else is TV for?).  But I also love the deconstruction on PD afterwards (it&#039;s all a little like Christmas).  Thanks Scott!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ FC:  I love Fringe.  And I love watching it in the way that you say you do (after all what else is TV for?).  But I also love the deconstruction on PD afterwards (it&#8217;s all a little like Christmas).  Thanks Scott!!</p>
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		<title>By: FC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, Fringe is a wacky Sci-Fi show, if you approach it as anything different you will be disappointed. It&#039;s fun to point out the bad science and wrong stuff but if the lack of accuracy is giving you migraines I suggest you switch the channel.

I&#039;m personally happy that I have this great capacity to shut off my brain while I watch TV shows, I just observe and absorb. I can suspend my disbelief pretty much like a switch and enjoy my serving of TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Fringe is a wacky Sci-Fi show, if you approach it as anything different you will be disappointed. It&#8217;s fun to point out the bad science and wrong stuff but if the lack of accuracy is giving you migraines I suggest you switch the channel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally happy that I have this great capacity to shut off my brain while I watch TV shows, I just observe and absorb. I can suspend my disbelief pretty much like a switch and enjoy my serving of TV.</p>
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		<title>By: EL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this show was fairly bad Fringe, there are a couple of comments about it:  First of all, regarding the why don&#039;t they see it coming comments:  I could see that it was the kid -- Sorry folks.  Suppose that you were a cop, would you believe that the kid was causing this, or would it take a bit of time to convince you (in real life).  Being skeptical and also knowing that the kid had no weapon, I would take a while I think before figuring that out.  And I figured it out in the first scene while watching the show.  I think this one was based on letting us know what was going on and having us wait to see when the Fringe division would figure it out (although I would admit that with all the wierd fringe science going on, I would at least entertain the thought that it was the kid.  

But I do have a complaint with this:  Why is Fringe involved at all?  This seems to be a fairly normal kidnapping where getting the hostage back seems to have gone wrong.  What is Fringe (which is supposed to be investigating &quot;the pattern&quot; doing here at all?  Once someone figures out that the boy has a form of mind control, isn&#039;t that when they would call in the fringe division?  This might have been a good place to bring the woman back in that they had in the first two episodes (and where has she been anyway?).  She could have realized that there was something screwy and that the fringe division needed to be called.  But noooo. . .

About the bad wiring.  There are three possibilities:  1.  They screwed up on the show (very possible).  But suppose this happened in reality:
2.  The kid was forcing the guy to put the key into the socket.  If someone was doing that to me, I would sure go for the neutral socket and then act as though I were shocked (a clever ploy on the part of the victim that backfired through faulty wiring).  3.  The kid was stupid (we have ample evidence of this), but got lucky because of bad wiring.

After all, you can&#039;t have it both ways:  either I can stick a key into a socket of my house (on your say so that it is safe) or it isn&#039;t safe because of possibly faulty wiring. . .  And where are the stats that say that there is at least one bad socket per house?

Finally, more evidence of the kid&#039;s stupidity:  If I had magic mind control pills, what would I do with them?  Hell, I sure wouldn&#039;t let people know I had them, I would do really subtle things, but certainly a smart kid would come up with something more than going on a rampage and getting people to kill themselves. 

Sorry to go on like this, but I haven&#039;t been around for a while and Polite Dissent is so much fun. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this show was fairly bad Fringe, there are a couple of comments about it:  First of all, regarding the why don&#8217;t they see it coming comments:  I could see that it was the kid &#8212; Sorry folks.  Suppose that you were a cop, would you believe that the kid was causing this, or would it take a bit of time to convince you (in real life).  Being skeptical and also knowing that the kid had no weapon, I would take a while I think before figuring that out.  And I figured it out in the first scene while watching the show.  I think this one was based on letting us know what was going on and having us wait to see when the Fringe division would figure it out (although I would admit that with all the wierd fringe science going on, I would at least entertain the thought that it was the kid.  </p>
<p>But I do have a complaint with this:  Why is Fringe involved at all?  This seems to be a fairly normal kidnapping where getting the hostage back seems to have gone wrong.  What is Fringe (which is supposed to be investigating &#8220;the pattern&#8221; doing here at all?  Once someone figures out that the boy has a form of mind control, isn&#8217;t that when they would call in the fringe division?  This might have been a good place to bring the woman back in that they had in the first two episodes (and where has she been anyway?).  She could have realized that there was something screwy and that the fringe division needed to be called.  But noooo. . .</p>
<p>About the bad wiring.  There are three possibilities:  1.  They screwed up on the show (very possible).  But suppose this happened in reality:<br />
2.  The kid was forcing the guy to put the key into the socket.  If someone was doing that to me, I would sure go for the neutral socket and then act as though I were shocked (a clever ploy on the part of the victim that backfired through faulty wiring).  3.  The kid was stupid (we have ample evidence of this), but got lucky because of bad wiring.</p>
<p>After all, you can&#8217;t have it both ways:  either I can stick a key into a socket of my house (on your say so that it is safe) or it isn&#8217;t safe because of possibly faulty wiring. . .  And where are the stats that say that there is at least one bad socket per house?</p>
<p>Finally, more evidence of the kid&#8217;s stupidity:  If I had magic mind control pills, what would I do with them?  Hell, I sure wouldn&#8217;t let people know I had them, I would do really subtle things, but certainly a smart kid would come up with something more than going on a rampage and getting people to kill themselves. </p>
<p>Sorry to go on like this, but I haven&#8217;t been around for a while and Polite Dissent is so much fun. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Minor Review of Fringe, Episode 7, Season 2, Of Human Action &#171; Cordial Deconstruction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minor Review of Fringe, Episode 7, Season 2, Of Human Action &#171; Cordial Deconstruction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The non-science of Fringe: Of Human Action &#171; weak interactions</title>
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		<dc:creator>The non-science of Fringe: Of Human Action &#171; weak interactions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] episode is debunked at Popular Mechanics and Polite Dissent, and you can read more about it at Fox, IMDb and the A.V. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not charged? because he actually did not killed anybody. policewoman did, even car salesmen did not, both were (let me call it) suicides. so the kid is innocent,... only if you wanted to accuse him of mind control. and i don&#039;t think anyone would like to admit, there is some possibility of having mind control pills, if there were some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not charged? because he actually did not killed anybody. policewoman did, even car salesmen did not, both were (let me call it) suicides. so the kid is innocent,&#8230; only if you wanted to accuse him of mind control. and i don&#8217;t think anyone would like to admit, there is some possibility of having mind control pills, if there were some.</p>
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		<title>By: Moleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7:  I thought the bit with Nina narrating about the multiple Tylers project solved that- he wasn&#039;t going to a therapist.  Unless I remember wrong, he was sedated (or dead) and put in storage or something in the last scene- the therapist thing was just what Massive Dynamic told Broyles.

(Also ties in to the old Walter/William Bell project that Olivia was part of- ever since the episode last season with the other test subject calling her Olive, my wife has been insisting that Olivia is actually &quot;Olive A,&quot; and that there&#039;s more clones headed our way)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7:  I thought the bit with Nina narrating about the multiple Tylers project solved that- he wasn&#8217;t going to a therapist.  Unless I remember wrong, he was sedated (or dead) and put in storage or something in the last scene- the therapist thing was just what Massive Dynamic told Broyles.</p>
<p>(Also ties in to the old Walter/William Bell project that Olivia was part of- ever since the episode last season with the other test subject calling her Olive, my wife has been insisting that Olivia is actually &#8220;Olive A,&#8221; and that there&#8217;s more clones headed our way)</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few minor points (I agree this wasn&#039;t a great episode, but liked it better than you):

5 - When the files were being put away they showed Tyle #X and referenced different surrogates for each of them (Dr. Y or Dr. Z), so each Doctor only has 1 son.

7 - The only explanation I could see is that the psychiatrist is doing a mental health evaluation to determine if he was mental capable at the time of the murders.  Arguably, the drugs, which he may have taken &quot;accidentally,&quot; created a temporary insanity and the D.A. doesn&#039;t want to prosecute a kid who was drugged.  But, really, what I think they were saying is that, because he didn&#039;t show the power to control people, the D.A. (or U.S. Attorney) didn&#039;t believe he really forced people to murder.  That is kind of hard to believe and really hard to get a jury to convict on.  On the other hand, Peter should be expecting to be charged for a bunch of crimes for his actions and the defense &quot;a mind-controlling teen made me do it&quot; probably won&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few minor points (I agree this wasn&#8217;t a great episode, but liked it better than you):</p>
<p>5 &#8211; When the files were being put away they showed Tyle #X and referenced different surrogates for each of them (Dr. Y or Dr. Z), so each Doctor only has 1 son.</p>
<p>7 &#8211; The only explanation I could see is that the psychiatrist is doing a mental health evaluation to determine if he was mental capable at the time of the murders.  Arguably, the drugs, which he may have taken &#8220;accidentally,&#8221; created a temporary insanity and the D.A. doesn&#8217;t want to prosecute a kid who was drugged.  But, really, what I think they were saying is that, because he didn&#8217;t show the power to control people, the D.A. (or U.S. Attorney) didn&#8217;t believe he really forced people to murder.  That is kind of hard to believe and really hard to get a jury to convict on.  On the other hand, Peter should be expecting to be charged for a bunch of crimes for his actions and the defense &#8220;a mind-controlling teen made me do it&#8221; probably won&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: FlowerPower</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlowerPower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;5. It’s Better Than The 10% Cliche, But Just Barely&quot;

Did you see the promos all week?  Every one started out with the whole &quot;They say we only use 10% of our brain, yada yada yada&quot;.  I was kind of surprised no one mentioned it in the episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;5. It’s Better Than The 10% Cliche, But Just Barely&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you see the promos all week?  Every one started out with the whole &#8220;They say we only use 10% of our brain, yada yada yada&#8221;.  I was kind of surprised no one mentioned it in the episode.</p>
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		<title>By: snell</title>
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		<dc:creator>snell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that should be mentioned: this is the second week in a row they&#039;ve played the &quot;higher federal agency tells them they&#039;re off the case&quot; card; the second week in a row they&#039;ve ignored such orders; and the second week in a row there have been zero repercussions. Why keep trotting out the same tired plot device--if you&#039;re not going to actually do anything with it???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that should be mentioned: this is the second week in a row they&#8217;ve played the &#8220;higher federal agency tells them they&#8217;re off the case&#8221; card; the second week in a row they&#8217;ve ignored such orders; and the second week in a row there have been zero repercussions. Why keep trotting out the same tired plot device&#8211;if you&#8217;re not going to actually do anything with it???</p>
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