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		<title>By: Closp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Closp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

The concept of military issue stuff is dear to Morgan; uses it a lot in his SF books.
Concerning supposedly special and highly effective painkillers, the idea is to keep
the wounded and suffering soldier going, so that he can accomplish his mission. Side effects,
even deadly in the long term, are not to be taken into account in such conditions provided 
they don&#039;t cripple the soldier further more - ,which would indeed be in that cas pointless - 
in mission time. A wounded, much suffering soldier is close to useless, and probably doomed.
So there is nothing to loose in having him take medication that can keep him going a little bit
even if it kills him ultimately. It may gain him a few hours, enough time to reach target
and accomplish mission - or help others do it.
&quot;headeaches&quot; is indeed a little bit upsetting...but a bullet would in the bowels
is extremely painful and crippling, and I guess the soldier concerned would rather experience a nasty
headache rather that feel the bullet wound...
Again, the whole idea is that the guy has nothing to loose at that stage if he wants to stay operational a liitle longer.
Why shouldn&#039;t they try and market it? Oh, come on, is the American DAF such a bunch of 
bad people as to authorize such a drug the purpose of which is to keep teh patient going for
a few hours at most - without taking into account the side effects ? There are plenty of drugs 
that could help you in teh short term and kill you dreadfully in the long term. That cannot
be prescribed by your physician, can it? ;-)
Sorry if I tend to say that soldiers are considered ... dispensable by their hierarchy
because that&#039;s exactly what they are in mission time. Success is the only factor taken into account.
Well, that may be cynicism...;-))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>The concept of military issue stuff is dear to Morgan; uses it a lot in his SF books.<br />
Concerning supposedly special and highly effective painkillers, the idea is to keep<br />
the wounded and suffering soldier going, so that he can accomplish his mission. Side effects,<br />
even deadly in the long term, are not to be taken into account in such conditions provided<br />
they don&#8217;t cripple the soldier further more &#8211; ,which would indeed be in that cas pointless &#8211;<br />
in mission time. A wounded, much suffering soldier is close to useless, and probably doomed.<br />
So there is nothing to loose in having him take medication that can keep him going a little bit<br />
even if it kills him ultimately. It may gain him a few hours, enough time to reach target<br />
and accomplish mission &#8211; or help others do it.<br />
&#8220;headeaches&#8221; is indeed a little bit upsetting&#8230;but a bullet would in the bowels<br />
is extremely painful and crippling, and I guess the soldier concerned would rather experience a nasty<br />
headache rather that feel the bullet wound&#8230;<br />
Again, the whole idea is that the guy has nothing to loose at that stage if he wants to stay operational a liitle longer.<br />
Why shouldn&#8217;t they try and market it? Oh, come on, is the American DAF such a bunch of<br />
bad people as to authorize such a drug the purpose of which is to keep teh patient going for<br />
a few hours at most &#8211; without taking into account the side effects ? There are plenty of drugs<br />
that could help you in teh short term and kill you dreadfully in the long term. That cannot<br />
be prescribed by your physician, can it? ;-)<br />
Sorry if I tend to say that soldiers are considered &#8230; dispensable by their hierarchy<br />
because that&#8217;s exactly what they are in mission time. Success is the only factor taken into account.<br />
Well, that may be cynicism&#8230;;-))</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Bacardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Bacardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. Perhaps I commented too soon! I remembered that Yelena was a replacement, but I seemed to recall that she was part of a training program and perhaps my mind led me to think that she was one of several aspirants. Oh well, guess I should dig those older books out one of these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. Perhaps I commented too soon! I remembered that Yelena was a replacement, but I seemed to recall that she was part of a training program and perhaps my mind led me to think that she was one of several aspirants. Oh well, guess I should dig those older books out one of these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.politedissent.com/archives/514/comment-page-1#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Yelena was supposed to be a &quot;replacement&quot; for Natasha after she defected to the West.  This mini-series is the first I&#039;ve heard that there were more Widows than just the two of them...a &quot;Black Widow Corps&quot;, if you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Yelena was supposed to be a &#8220;replacement&#8221; for Natasha after she defected to the West.  This mini-series is the first I&#8217;ve heard that there were more Widows than just the two of them&#8230;a &#8220;Black Widow Corps&#8221;, if you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Bacardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Bacardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I&#039;m mistaken, and that&#039;s hardly a given with Marvel&#039;s gnarly continuity these days, Natasha should be aware that she&#039;s one of many Black Widows. She&#039;s probably the best, and one of the few to defect. In fact, one of her successors (the blonde Yelena Belova) has had three miniseries devoted to her, two of which guest starred Ms. Romanov. I&#039;m a bit of a fan of the Yelena Widow, and she doesn&#039;t seem to be in this, which  is why I didn&#039;t buy it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, and that&#8217;s hardly a given with Marvel&#8217;s gnarly continuity these days, Natasha should be aware that she&#8217;s one of many Black Widows. She&#8217;s probably the best, and one of the few to defect. In fact, one of her successors (the blonde Yelena Belova) has had three miniseries devoted to her, two of which guest starred Ms. Romanov. I&#8217;m a bit of a fan of the Yelena Widow, and she doesn&#8217;t seem to be in this, which  is why I didn&#8217;t buy it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question.  Here&#039;s a quick answer (let me see if I can come up with a better one later):  The military is most likely to &lt;em&gt;push the envelope&lt;/em&gt;on known drugs.  They&#039;ll take drugs that are common and whose side-effects are known and push the dose or duration (for instance amphetamines).  The most common areas the military would be involved in these activities would be &quot;go pills&quot; (amphetamines again), immunizations, and bio-terror (i.e. nerve gas and biological agent) treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question.  Here&#8217;s a quick answer (let me see if I can come up with a better one later):  The military is most likely to <em>push the envelope</em>on known drugs.  They&#8217;ll take drugs that are common and whose side-effects are known and push the dose or duration (for instance amphetamines).  The most common areas the military would be involved in these activities would be &#8220;go pills&#8221; (amphetamines again), immunizations, and bio-terror (i.e. nerve gas and biological agent) treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of curiosity, how is the military &lt;i&gt;likely&lt;/i&gt; to unethically act, medically speaking? What are the things that the military would be most likely to want to use drugs for? I remember being part of a trial being run in DC (at Walter Reed, I believe) when I lived there testing the effects of anti-anesthetic drugs on sleep deprivation, and I know &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; was being done by the Army, right around the time I first heard of the Air Force giving pilots amphetamines... if writers are going to concoct these kinds of plots, what would be most credible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, how is the military <i>likely</i> to unethically act, medically speaking? What are the things that the military would be most likely to want to use drugs for? I remember being part of a trial being run in DC (at Walter Reed, I believe) when I lived there testing the effects of anti-anesthetic drugs on sleep deprivation, and I know <i>that</i> was being done by the Army, right around the time I first heard of the Air Force giving pilots amphetamines&#8230; if writers are going to concoct these kinds of plots, what would be most credible?</p>
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