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	<title>Comments on: Aquaman #30:  A Medical Review, part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Wanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid point on the goldfish, but the fish doesn&#039;t technically &quot;breathe&quot;; the water is passed through the mouth, over the gills, and straight out of the body, so there is no &quot;exhale&quot; phase of the respiration.  It&#039;s why the term, &quot;drinking like a fish&quot; was coined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid point on the goldfish, but the fish doesn&#8217;t technically &#8220;breathe&#8221;; the water is passed through the mouth, over the gills, and straight out of the body, so there is no &#8220;exhale&#8221; phase of the respiration.  It&#8217;s why the term, &#8220;drinking like a fish&#8221; was coined.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 03:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book &quot;gills&quot;, sorry.</description>
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		<title>By: Carl Fink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Fink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 03:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, you described filamentous gills in your article.  Not all gills are like that -- for instance, some arthropods have &quot;book kills&quot; that use flat membranes rather than filaments.

Also, fish do breathe.  They pump water over their gills in pulses, not continuously.  Haven&#039;t you ever watched a goldfish, and seen it opening and closing its mouth?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you described filamentous gills in your article.  Not all gills are like that &#8212; for instance, some arthropods have &#8220;book kills&#8221; that use flat membranes rather than filaments.</p>
<p>Also, fish do breathe.  They pump water over their gills in pulses, not continuously.  Haven&#8217;t you ever watched a goldfish, and seen it opening and closing its mouth?</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh! I was close on my exhaling nitrogen thing.

Uh, breath-in breath-out…? Lungs don&#039;t work with water, it&#039;s too dense and viscous. It&#039;s not energy efficient to suck it in, stop it, and send it back the other way through all those, necessarily narrow, channels. That&#039;s why gills use a continuous one-way flow. Of course, there&#039;s probably not enough oxygen dissolved in seawater for reasonably sized gills or whatever to sustain a warm blooded creature anyway (and that&#039;s before we get into the rate of heat loss for a human in cool water), but we have to ignore that to have the story at all.

Water in, oxygen out? Exo-thermic, not! Everybody now, post-elementary school fact callout; fish do need oxygen and they don&#039;t breakdown water to get it, they use the small amount of O2 gas dissolved in the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh! I was close on my exhaling nitrogen thing.</p>
<p>Uh, breath-in breath-out…? Lungs don&#8217;t work with water, it&#8217;s too dense and viscous. It&#8217;s not energy efficient to suck it in, stop it, and send it back the other way through all those, necessarily narrow, channels. That&#8217;s why gills use a continuous one-way flow. Of course, there&#8217;s probably not enough oxygen dissolved in seawater for reasonably sized gills or whatever to sustain a warm blooded creature anyway (and that&#8217;s before we get into the rate of heat loss for a human in cool water), but we have to ignore that to have the story at all.</p>
<p>Water in, oxygen out? Exo-thermic, not! Everybody now, post-elementary school fact callout; fish do need oxygen and they don&#8217;t breakdown water to get it, they use the small amount of O2 gas dissolved in the water.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 14:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Yes, there are some animals with both lungs and gills, but I don&#039;t think it really applies here as it was shown early on that the Sub Diegoans cannot breath air, so their lungs pretty much just take up space.
2-4.  Could certainly be all genetic changes, but where&#039;s the fun in that? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Yes, there are some animals with both lungs and gills, but I don&#8217;t think it really applies here as it was shown early on that the Sub Diegoans cannot breath air, so their lungs pretty much just take up space.<br />
2-4.  Could certainly be all genetic changes, but where&#8217;s the fun in that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2005 06:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Aren&#039;t there some creatures which have both gills and lungs?  (The lungfish, maybe?  Tadpoles?)

2. They still started out as humans, so &quot;breathing&quot; is still a normal, autonomous activity.  Further, as stated earlier, the humans&#039; gills seem to be small vs. body size, so perhaps &quot;breathing&quot; helps push water past the gills.

3. The humans presumably stay at the sea bottom the same way fishes do, or something similar.  If they&#039;ve grown gills, they&#039;ve probably grown all sorts of other &quot;fish glands&quot;, too.

4. Pruney skin gets the same answer: the mutation.

5. I don&#039;t read Aquaman, so what do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Aren&#8217;t there some creatures which have both gills and lungs?  (The lungfish, maybe?  Tadpoles?)</p>
<p>2. They still started out as humans, so &#8220;breathing&#8221; is still a normal, autonomous activity.  Further, as stated earlier, the humans&#8217; gills seem to be small vs. body size, so perhaps &#8220;breathing&#8221; helps push water past the gills.</p>
<p>3. The humans presumably stay at the sea bottom the same way fishes do, or something similar.  If they&#8217;ve grown gills, they&#8217;ve probably grown all sorts of other &#8220;fish glands&#8221;, too.</p>
<p>4. Pruney skin gets the same answer: the mutation.</p>
<p>5. I don&#8217;t read Aquaman, so what do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kosmicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Kosmicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 03:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I know that your new log is reminiscent of an old 80&#039;s Comic Fanzine, but which one was it? I&#039;m wracking my brain and can&#039;t come up with it.  It was one that the Thompsons were involved in, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I know that your new log is reminiscent of an old 80&#8217;s Comic Fanzine, but which one was it? I&#8217;m wracking my brain and can&#8217;t come up with it.  It was one that the Thompsons were involved in, I think.</p>
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