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	<title>Comments on: Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight #192:  A Medical Review</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Arndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not exactly the same stage; if it was exactly the same stage Freeze would have used the vials on Vendela and so he would have none to use on Michael Gough, I mean, Alfred.

Honestly, who would you rather have grateful to you for the life save?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not exactly the same stage; if it was exactly the same stage Freeze would have used the vials on Vendela and so he would have none to use on Michael Gough, I mean, Alfred.</p>
<p>Honestly, who would you rather have grateful to you for the life save?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plot point&#039;s just always stuck with me:  &quot;Oh no, Alfred&#039;s sick with a rare and untreatable degenerative disease!  What can we do?  Wait...Mr. Freeze&#039;s wife has the same rare and fatal untreatable disease, and Fries developed a treatment for someone in exactly the same stage that Alfred&#039;s in.  What luck!&quot;

I had to look up the name on IMdB, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plot point&#8217;s just always stuck with me:  &#8220;Oh no, Alfred&#8217;s sick with a rare and untreatable degenerative disease!  What can we do?  Wait&#8230;Mr. Freeze&#8217;s wife has the same rare and fatal untreatable disease, and Fries developed a treatment for someone in exactly the same stage that Alfred&#8217;s in.  What luck!&#8221;</p>
<p>I had to look up the name on IMdB, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Arndt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still a tad miffed about this story even existing.

I&#039;m being extremely unfair; I haven&#039;t read it yet.

I recall the original Mr Zero stories.  I recall recently when Ed Brubaker wrote an issue of Batman: Turning Points that acknowledge Mr. Zero as part of the Mister Freeze-Batman continuity.  I recall Batman: Mister Freeze as Paul Dini officially makes the animated Freeze origin the DC Mister Freeze origin but adapts the subsequent events so that the reasons for Freeze hating Batman and that CEO actually form, and the impetus for those reasons, occur after the initial Batman-Freeze encounters.  Nora Fries dies indirectly because of Batman, directly becauseo of Mr. Freeze, and it occurs well after Batman got the yellow oval, so I assume it was a deliberate move to allow the older Mr Freeze stories, even some of the vintage ones, to remain canon and not be simply bulldozed by Dini&#039;s work.

I hope something similar is done here.  I would dislike having Brubaker&#039;s, Dini&#039;s, and more than a few other guys&#039; work trampeled just for a likely padded five-parter.

By the by, the idea of Batman assembling a &quot;strike force&quot;.... ew.  1) Batman instituted and abandoned the notion when Ra&#039;s Al Guhl first asserted himself to the Dark Knight, and when Batman&#039;s first recruit accidentily killed himself.  2) Batman doesn&#039;t really need a cabinet of experts and is pretty much an expert of nearly everything.  That&#039;s important (only) because when Moon Knight set himself up during his third series, one of things the writer(s) recalled and used to differentiate the dude from Batman, especially since he was embarrassingly similar to Batman, was to recall that Marc Spector is not an expert in so many things.  Spector is not a detective.  Spector is not an authority in many things, and possibly not in anything.  Marc Spector assembled his &quot;Shadow Cabinet&quot; to make up for that, and the writers did it to remind the readers how different than Batman the character really was.

Honestly Moon Knight only superficially resembles the Dark Knight. It&#039;s the same archetype, but if we held that against characters then only Shadow comics would be published today.

So Batman assembling a cabinet of authorities.... bores me somehow.  Ah, well.  I may someday give the story a chance.

Loren, how the heck did you recall a PLOTpoint or a name from Batman and Robin?  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still a tad miffed about this story even existing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m being extremely unfair; I haven&#8217;t read it yet.</p>
<p>I recall the original Mr Zero stories.  I recall recently when Ed Brubaker wrote an issue of Batman: Turning Points that acknowledge Mr. Zero as part of the Mister Freeze-Batman continuity.  I recall Batman: Mister Freeze as Paul Dini officially makes the animated Freeze origin the DC Mister Freeze origin but adapts the subsequent events so that the reasons for Freeze hating Batman and that CEO actually form, and the impetus for those reasons, occur after the initial Batman-Freeze encounters.  Nora Fries dies indirectly because of Batman, directly becauseo of Mr. Freeze, and it occurs well after Batman got the yellow oval, so I assume it was a deliberate move to allow the older Mr Freeze stories, even some of the vintage ones, to remain canon and not be simply bulldozed by Dini&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>I hope something similar is done here.  I would dislike having Brubaker&#8217;s, Dini&#8217;s, and more than a few other guys&#8217; work trampeled just for a likely padded five-parter.</p>
<p>By the by, the idea of Batman assembling a &#8220;strike force&#8221;&#8230;. ew.  1) Batman instituted and abandoned the notion when Ra&#8217;s Al Guhl first asserted himself to the Dark Knight, and when Batman&#8217;s first recruit accidentily killed himself.  2) Batman doesn&#8217;t really need a cabinet of experts and is pretty much an expert of nearly everything.  That&#8217;s important (only) because when Moon Knight set himself up during his third series, one of things the writer(s) recalled and used to differentiate the dude from Batman, especially since he was embarrassingly similar to Batman, was to recall that Marc Spector is not an expert in so many things.  Spector is not a detective.  Spector is not an authority in many things, and possibly not in anything.  Marc Spector assembled his &#8220;Shadow Cabinet&#8221; to make up for that, and the writers did it to remind the readers how different than Batman the character really was.</p>
<p>Honestly Moon Knight only superficially resembles the Dark Knight. It&#8217;s the same archetype, but if we held that against characters then only Shadow comics would be published today.</p>
<p>So Batman assembling a cabinet of authorities&#8230;. bores me somehow.  Ah, well.  I may someday give the story a chance.</p>
<p>Loren, how the heck did you recall a PLOTpoint or a name from Batman and Robin?  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren:

You&#039;re right, I had forgotten &lt;b&gt;Batman &amp; Robin&lt;/b&gt; had given her &quot;MacGregor&#039;s&quot; -- I think I was just trying to forgot the movie in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I had forgotten <b>Batman &amp; Robin</b> had given her &#8220;MacGregor&#8217;s&#8221; &#8212; I think I was just trying to forgot the movie in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huntington&#039;s used to run in my family.  My great-grandmother had it, and one of my great aunts committed suicide because she feared she had inherited it.

It even played a role in my birth, since I was the firstborn in my family.  My parents were cautious about having kids, not knowing whether my granddad (and then my dad) had inherited it.  My granddad was 54 and healthy when I was born, so my parents felt pretty certain we&#039;d all lucked out.

Also, I think it&#039;s worth mentioning that the movie gave Nora a disease, albeit a fictional one.  They called it MacGregor&#039;s Syndrome, and I suppose just made up all the symptoms and stages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huntington&#8217;s used to run in my family.  My great-grandmother had it, and one of my great aunts committed suicide because she feared she had inherited it.</p>
<p>It even played a role in my birth, since I was the firstborn in my family.  My parents were cautious about having kids, not knowing whether my granddad (and then my dad) had inherited it.  My granddad was 54 and healthy when I was born, so my parents felt pretty certain we&#8217;d all lucked out.</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s worth mentioning that the movie gave Nora a disease, albeit a fictional one.  They called it MacGregor&#8217;s Syndrome, and I suppose just made up all the symptoms and stages.</p>
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